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between July 8 1947 the Army Air Forces

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like with Jimmy judge on the game

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good evening fade to black misspoke

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radio for the masses today's Tuesday

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January 7th 2020 hi - how you doing

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that's right today January 7th which

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listening all around the world across

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what is cracking everybody how you doing

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how you doing crazy night tonight I get

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it but we are all here we're all here

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because tonight we have very special

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guest tonight is the return of Micah

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Hanks yeah man I'm so excited Micah

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Hanks is here gonna be a great

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conversation and we'll get to all of

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that in just a bit tomorrow night

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William Henry joins us from Nashville

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and Thursday night is another Fator

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night with open lines all night long you

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can follow me on twitter at Jay Church

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radio I fully expected Twitter tonight

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to be completely engaged and and out of

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that you can follow me on twitter @ JT

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radio the sandbox on twitter is hashtag

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f2b come and hang out with us we don't

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bite and tonight just like any other

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Spreaker you can get in over there or

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another chat room over there okay email

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is Jimmy at Jimmy Church radio calm

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questions or comments tonight is hashtag

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f2b Q which is fade to black question

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says f the number two B and Q fade to

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yes tonight it's Micah Hanks he's a

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writer he's a podcaster he's a history

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enthusiast too as well and a Formula One

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future of mankind can be influenced by

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decades he has appeared on numerous

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television radio programs including

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with John B wells the History Channel's

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guts and bolts CNN radio and of course

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he's the author of several books

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including the ghost rockets mysticism

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and the molecule the search for scenting

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intelligence from other worlds the

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Reynolds mansion and an invitation to

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the past and UFO singularity mica

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currently hosts the Micah hanks program

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formerly known as the graylien report we

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got to get Micah to cut a new drop for

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us here on fade to black and of course

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the middle theory podcast in the seven

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ages audio journal podcast this website

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is Micah Hanks calm and he's got a great

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blog there too as well like - welcome

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back to fade to black Micah Hanks Micah

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good evening my friend how are you good

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tidings and gobekli tepe - yeah Gobekli

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you know Micah I refuse to grow up right

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I I don't want to be the adult that my

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parents and grandparents appeared to be

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and when I was young how I'm 56 today

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but but what 56 appeared to be around me

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and I refuse to grow up well today two

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an adult to face things that adults have

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what is going on in the Middle East and

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ourselves in as a nation for you being a

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historian and the way that you look at

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technology in our country in our world

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two hours ago we were bracing for this

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kind of news and it happened what do you

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the world tomorrow you know the future

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is always uncertain Jimmy and first let

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me thank you that's kind of you to call

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me a historian I'm a dedicated amateur

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at very best and I'll keep my historical

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assessment simple for tonight but right

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off the bat one assessment we might make

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for guys like you and you know myself to

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feel like we don't want to grow up in

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Washington obviously don't want to do

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not gonna make and you're the same way

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we talked about this during the air

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check it's not about arguing a right or

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a left perspective at a time like this

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circumstances like what we're seeing

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unfold potentially right now in the

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escalate further beyond this but you

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else evidence that we have bigger issues

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at play than American politics that

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obviously plays into it we've got to

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look at things internationally and you

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statements but it is I think important

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for us to remember that we are all one

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civilization we are all human beings and

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despite the facade of differences

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or any of these things we've got to

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remember that we are all flesh-and-blood

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human beings and we share this planet

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and we won't have a planet if we start

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pushing big red buttons and launching

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one another right so you know again

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nuanced conversation that has to be had

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about what's going on right now and you

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now with little doubt but you know

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the same side when it counts and we

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should try and act like it we should try

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and remember that Jimmy you know you

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were talking about in your opening

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segment music and films and things that

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here as well you remember the scene

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where Tom Hanks holds his hand up and he

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can cover the entire earth with his

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thumb right great iconic scene but again

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that's kind of you know that that's in

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the same line of thought as what we're

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enough back to be able to see the big

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picture picture you realize how small we

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all are how fragile this world is how

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fragile human lives are how delicate you

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know this gift of life that we have

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actually is and at times like this I

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hope that if not collectively we each as

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individuals can kind of make that choice

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to say look we are all fundamentally on

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the same team we're all earthlings we're

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all humans and in that line of thinking

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that audio sound bite you mentioned also

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when we were riffing a little bit

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because folks at home when Jimmy and I

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talk both being longtime guitar

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aficionados you ain't just talking it's

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riffing baby that's right that's right

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as we were riffing during the soundcheck

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you'd mentioned Ronald Reagan and I you

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know share your affinity for Reagan

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because I remember when the Challenger

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shuttle exploded again being a history

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junkie I love going back and watching

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these presidential addresses and one of

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the things that he said that touched me

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so much about that was he specifically

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spoke to the children in the audience

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and he said to the children he said I'm

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sure many of you young people watching

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are wondering why that happened and what

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it means and why things like this have

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to happen and I loved that Reagan had

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that ability to not just communicate but

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he could communicate to children and he

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could commend communicate fundamental

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truths like that and that was one of the

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most touching things that I remember him

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ever saying but of course another was at

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the United Nations in 1987 and saying

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would it take a unit what is that what

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it would take to make human beings

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realize that we are indeed all one and

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yet he says I ask you is there not and

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I'm paraphrasing here this isn't a

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direct quote but he says is there not

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already an alien threat an alien

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presence among us because I can imagine

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nothing more alien than the threat of

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war I think we should remember those

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words right now the the other part about

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this when we think about this at a

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global level is that we this planet has

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been dealing with the Middle East since

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2001 right it's now been nearly 20 years

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certainly we've been dealing with it

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here in the United States and our forces

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are there but there are forces from

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around the world that are in that region

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with the coalition they've been putting

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up with this at one point well do we

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just throw up our hands and say enough

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is enough you know that we need to just

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pull this back here we're tired you know

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what when when do we reach that well you

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of saying enough is enough

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rather than criticizing the current

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administration you know or our current

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elected officials in any branch of

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government you know something I would

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really urge people to do because those

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criticisms exist they should be made but

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right now and this is something else you

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black are kind of people's escape from

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reality and when when stuff really gets

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dangerous like this we're forced to have

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to talk about those not so fun subjects

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on a very fun program like this that

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which is why we're doing it but again I

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think that there's a right and a wrong

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way to do it and so it in an effort to

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try and approach your question from a

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non partisan perspective you know one

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thing I would urge people to do is if

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you really don't want Wars go out there

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and look listen you know we're headed

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headed into 2020 here and actually we're

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already in it but this next election

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cycle you know whose say

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we don't want Foreign Wars because the

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problem to me doesn't seem to be you

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know exclusive to one political party or

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ideology if memory serves you know going

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back to 2001 Locke you mentioned we had

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a new president at that time George W

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Bush and he was faced with this

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tremendous task of okay well how do we

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navigate the storm in the aftermath of

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what had been the greatest attack on

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American soil since or a harbor the 9/11

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attacks and throughout his

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administration of course we are him

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we're embroiled in conflict in the

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Middle East throughout the next

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administration under Barack Obama we

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have the same thing I mean remember that

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Woodward's book about him during that

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period of Obama's presidency was

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entitled Obama's Wars that trend

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continues today I see no better way of

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expressing that you know it shouldn't be

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a partisan issue this is an issue that

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indoors IRA's irregardless of the party

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I think it has a lot to do with really

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deeper rooted problems in American

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government in foreign policy and all

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these kinds of things if we really don't

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want to be involved in another twenty

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years of war what we need to be thinking

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about heading into 2020 is who is saying

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they don't want war go find those people

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people also remember that you as human

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beings wherever you are in the world or

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if you're here in the United States as

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you know voters you do have a voice I

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was kind of shocked Jimmy at how many

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people in the last election just said

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well you know it was a crap sandwich

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Anna you know Anna whatever on the other

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side I didn't have good options so I

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just didn't vote I just opted out but

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opting out really isn't the best option

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if you really want to see change but you

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know I also think that a good way to do

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it is to engage in discussion and I saw

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this quote by Margaret Atwood earlier

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today that war is what results when

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dialogue when conversation when

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communication fails so I'm glad that

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we're having this conversation right now

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because you know I think that also

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talking educating and informing people

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on issues that we face as one unified

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civilization here on a planet that's an

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important aspect of all this - education

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is key

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was just announced six minutes ago the

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Boeing 737 passenger jet has crashed in

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Iran shortly after takeoff this just

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happened this is being reported by

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Bloomberg 180 passengers and crew on

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board the plane was bound for the

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Ukraine and this is absolutely last

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minute breaking news and before we even

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go conspiracy on this it is a very

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strange coincidence that a plane crash

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like this occurs a couple hours after

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lobbying ballistic missiles into a

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foreign country very strange coincidence

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could be but this is breaking news and

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we will get more on this as as we get

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information coming in you know and this

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is this is the other part look I just

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read this breaking news right 737 this

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would be big news on any other day this

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737 crashing but we are now acclimated

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mica to crazy

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disturbing dark harsh news on a 24-hour

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news cycle right it's coming in all day

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long and I feel that the media and

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governments and state actors have God is

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so acclimated to the addiction of

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getting dark news on our phone all day

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long all right that that it's it's it's

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it's turned into some kind of opiate

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right where this dark news feed is

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constantly coming at you and it has to

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affect us not only at an emotional level

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but maybe all the way down to our DNA

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right that where it alters our brain

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chemistry and and here we are with a

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crazy news day today and we're going to

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cap it off with a 737 crashing in Iran

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it's pretty nuts isn't it how

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the world cope with dark news 365 days a

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year

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well you know that's a complex one but

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again you know I am my background in

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talk radio I was a producer on air

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producer occasional host also I was with

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what is now I heart media at the time it

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was clear channel and I left I struck

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out to become an independent guy right

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but I I remember back in those days I

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was I was talking with one of our

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program directors and he said you know

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in this era of 24-hour news cycles you

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know we can get our fix any time we need

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it and I think you're absolutely right

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to liken it to an addiction many people

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are I'm sure that there are Studies on

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this in fact I've probably read a few

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but I read a lot of studies and you know

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the the not only emotional connection

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well actually I would say it's not so

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much an emotional connection I think it

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is just this sort of thrill it's this

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sort of feedback loop right you know

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it's it's a dopamine high right you're

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always looking for the next most

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thrilling thing and what is more

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thrilling I mean we all love seeing you

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know puppies and little tiny baby Yoda's

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on the mandalorian and stuff like that

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that's fun but it's not maybe really

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thrilling and I think people what's

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really scary is they are not only

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seeking thrills but over time addiction

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to a 24-hour news cycle seems to be

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desensitizing us you know to the point

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that you can read about rapes murders

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killings war and people just don't even

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react to it which is really frightening

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to me because I mean at some point we

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seem to be forgetting in this thrill

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ride that we are now on how to be human

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and I remember talking to the program

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director I mentioned and he said when

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the Challenger shuttle exploded to bring

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that up again it's a great example

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historically tragic though it was he

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said you know we're all sitting at home

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whatever's on television is on

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television and then there's a very you

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know not sudden bling-bling explosions

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you know loud noise there's a quiet kind

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of soft segue we interrupt this

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broadcast to bring you breaking news and

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now here's Walter Cronkite or whomever

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was the anchor at that time and they

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informed the public of what's just

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happened you heard the news when there

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was significant news to be reported

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there wasn't this addiction to a thrill

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ride and therefore this kind of you know

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this this impetus I guess given to

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networks to find the most juicy and most

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disturbing news to feed that addiction

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they know that they're gonna be able to

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keep people glued to the television or

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the radio where their smartphones or

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whatever else if they give them what

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they're after and so because of that

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what do you see every day in the news

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you see a lot of negative news I mean

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that's what sells but it's it's a

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strange kind of a feedback loop a kind

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of self-perpetuating issue where people

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not only are going looking for that but

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the you know the the media networks know

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that giving people that is going to keep

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them glued you know what happens when we

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come unglued when we no longer need that

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thrill or no thrill that they can offer

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us is good enough I mean that's a scary

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prospect too because it begins to raise

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questions about how far humans will go

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for that weird stimulation and I don't

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think fundamentally evolutionarily

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speaking if I want to approach this from

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an anthropological perspective you know

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our ancestors Jimmy said they looked at

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the stars at night they watched

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meticulously the movement of stars

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through the heavens and as we see it

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sites like gobekli tepe for instance you

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know there are these celestial

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alignments represented almost all of

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these sacred ceremonial sites from the

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ancient past going back you know 5,000

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10,000 years or even earlier like

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gobekli tepe but again they had to

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meticulously watch the stars at night

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that was the best entertainment that

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nature could buy at that time I don't

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think that humans are programmed

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fundamentally to be so over stimulated

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so hyperstimulated all the time and I'm

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really not sure that it's doing us any

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any good I don't think that there's

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really as much benefit to it as being

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informed you know citizens by watching

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the news all the times is is touted as

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being I think sometimes it's much

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healthier for us to unplug and to look

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at news when it's actually important but

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unfortunately today you're right it's

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it's very important news we're seeing

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it's very unfortunate news I hope you

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know and this is the last thing I'll say

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about the current news for the time

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being unless you want to keep talking

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about it but I mean I'm hoping tomorrow

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we're gonna have

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better news I think we've all been

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holding our breath the last 24 or 48

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hours or so right I I agree with that

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and this is let me respond actually I I

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wake up in the morning and you know and

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I check my cell phone for the news I

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look at the headline just to make sure

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that the planet hasn't blown up right

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that's as far as I go

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I don't scroll through or read the news

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because I know what the headlines are

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right husband arrested for the capitate

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away for whatever right it's just one

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bad story after another just disturbing

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stuff and I don't engage in it but this

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is what I find strange about that do you

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remember the video series faces of death

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oh yeah okay now when faces of death was

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out there there were rumors about it

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right hey man my friends got the

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videotape four phases of death part two

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we're gonna go over to his house and why

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and how disturbing it was and now today

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you go back and watch phases of death

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and it's it's nearly comedy right but

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that's not the point the point was back

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then you had to go and search for it you

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weren't gonna get that with Walter

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Cronkite you're gonna get that on the

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evening news

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you weren't going to get it anywhere

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faces of death was this dark underground

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enigma that you had to go out and seek

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and find faces of death this is how

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desensitized we are faces of death is

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24/7 on any video channel any news

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service any any network any YouTube

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channel all over everywhere and you can

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go and watch it and not faces of death

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real faces of death and that's where we

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are today I don't get where we took the

546
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turn you know and and I don't want to

547
00:23:57,020 --> 00:23:54,150
sound like my my dad I just don't want

548
00:23:59,899 --> 00:23:57,030
to do that but but we did actually have

549
00:24:02,210 --> 00:23:59,909
happier times as crazy as the world was

550
00:24:04,370 --> 00:24:02,220
right there was always crazy

551
00:24:08,260 --> 00:24:04,380
the events going on but we didn't have

552
00:24:11,419 --> 00:24:08,270
it in our faces affecting us right I I

553
00:24:14,810 --> 00:24:11,429
truly believe and I've corrected this in

554
00:24:18,049 --> 00:24:14,820
my life mica that the news used to make

555
00:24:21,169 --> 00:24:18,059
me physically ill and I found out I

556
00:24:25,340 --> 00:24:21,179
found out about six years ago I

557
00:24:28,220 --> 00:24:25,350
we went out and read and I know we were

558
00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:28,230
somewhere in the country and we

559
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:30,480
disengaged for like four days no news no

560
00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:33,570
internet we didn't have a TV or whatever

561
00:24:37,850 --> 00:24:35,520
in our hotel room or we did but we never

562
00:24:40,430 --> 00:24:37,860
turned it on totally disengaged came

563
00:24:42,529 --> 00:24:40,440
back after four or five days and I'm

564
00:24:45,620 --> 00:24:42,539
walking through the house and I turn on

565
00:24:48,529 --> 00:24:45,630
the TV and turn it to CNN and it's an

566
00:24:53,060 --> 00:24:48,539
Isis beheading video right there go all

567
00:24:55,970 --> 00:24:53,070
right right and I physically got ill and

568
00:24:59,060 --> 00:24:55,980
I went I could feel it right I felt my

569
00:25:01,340 --> 00:24:59,070
body and went that's it I was fine

570
00:25:03,230 --> 00:25:01,350
that's what's doing it to me and that's

571
00:25:07,370 --> 00:25:03,240
it I just refused to watch and I just

572
00:25:09,620 --> 00:25:07,380
and I'm better right now I selectively

573
00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:09,630
choose I don't for I don't get my stuff

574
00:25:15,500 --> 00:25:12,240
force-fed to me I choose what I want to

575
00:25:18,529 --> 00:25:15,510
see and I choose what I want to read so

576
00:25:23,630 --> 00:25:18,539
I'm forced to going to science.com every

577
00:25:26,930 --> 00:25:23,640
day Jimmy that means you're still human

578
00:25:30,919 --> 00:25:26,940
I mean what again what is normal about

579
00:25:33,980 --> 00:25:30,929
not being upset if shown a video of a

580
00:25:36,590 --> 00:25:33,990
human being having their head forcibly

581
00:25:39,890 --> 00:25:36,600
removed from their body right right

582
00:25:41,810 --> 00:25:39,900
right yeah last time I checked the

583
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:41,820
normal response was to feel sick when

584
00:25:48,830 --> 00:25:48,330
you saw stuff like that I know I know I

585
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:48,840
know

586
00:25:54,169 --> 00:25:51,450
burning humans and cages what are you

587
00:25:57,049 --> 00:25:54,179
doing playing this I don't care if it's

588
00:26:00,169 --> 00:25:57,059
news or not what are you doing you know

589
00:26:02,510 --> 00:26:00,179
and this stuff is effectively changing

590
00:26:07,159 --> 00:26:02,520
the population and they know this they

591
00:26:10,130 --> 00:26:07,169
know this oh yeah what was the what was

592
00:26:13,399 --> 00:26:10,140
the Richard Dawkins movie what was that

593
00:26:15,630 --> 00:26:13,409
the running man we never thought that we

594
00:26:17,730 --> 00:26:15,640
would be living in the running man did

595
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:17,740
right but we didn't think we'd be living

596
00:26:22,890 --> 00:26:20,410
in I'll borrow a term that our friend

597
00:26:23,970 --> 00:26:22,900
Clyde Lewis uses clown world I don't

598
00:26:25,650 --> 00:26:23,980
think we ever thought we'd be living in

599
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:25,660
that either but I mean it must be clown

600
00:26:30,030 --> 00:26:27,850
world if we are expected not to get sick

601
00:26:32,549 --> 00:26:30,040
at half of the news that we're shown

602
00:26:34,860 --> 00:26:32,559
every day yeah I mean and yeah it is

603
00:26:36,060 --> 00:26:34,870
like running man or like Hunger Games I

604
00:26:37,620 --> 00:26:36,070
mean things are getting to the point

605
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:37,630
where it's almost like this is all a

606
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:42,210
great big game show a sick game show I

607
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:44,170
said I don't know I mean you know but

608
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:46,450
I'm looking at all this happening in the

609
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:50,530
world right now and it's hard to know

610
00:26:54,060 --> 00:26:52,090
what to make of it it really is I mean

611
00:26:55,590 --> 00:26:54,070
this all so much of it seems so

612
00:26:57,510 --> 00:26:55,600
unnatural and I'm just now getting the

613
00:26:59,870 --> 00:26:57,520
headlines coming in it's breaking news

614
00:27:03,440 --> 00:26:59,880
about this plane crash over there again

615
00:27:07,860 --> 00:27:03,450
with a missile strike that occurred on

616
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:07,870
bases where US you know US soldiers were

617
00:27:12,690 --> 00:27:11,650
stationed and again initially as you

618
00:27:13,980 --> 00:27:12,700
know they were saying that there was

619
00:27:15,210 --> 00:27:13,990
going to be an announcement tonight but

620
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:15,220
they're postponing that until tomorrow

621
00:27:18,810 --> 00:27:17,530
which I do think is wise

622
00:27:21,390 --> 00:27:18,820
you know Trump's already being

623
00:27:22,590 --> 00:27:21,400
criticized for that but it's difficult

624
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:22,600
when we're seeing this breaking news

625
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:25,330
about a plane going down coinciding with

626
00:27:31,169 --> 00:27:28,570
this this strike this retaliatory strike

627
00:27:32,430 --> 00:27:31,179
by Iran it's it's difficult to see those

628
00:27:33,450 --> 00:27:32,440
two things and not try and connect them

629
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:33,460
we don't know if that connection

630
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:35,530
connection exists or not again it would

631
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:37,690
seem very difficult for those two things

632
00:27:42,120 --> 00:27:40,210
to coincide in this space-time reality

633
00:27:44,250 --> 00:27:42,130
that we occupy most of us rock you'll

634
00:27:46,919 --> 00:27:44,260
occupy at least and not see a connection

635
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:46,929
there right but we should abstain from

636
00:27:49,740 --> 00:27:48,490
leaping to that judgment we don't know

637
00:27:50,850 --> 00:27:49,750
I'm sure we'll have more details in the

638
00:27:52,289 --> 00:27:50,860
morning but god that doesn't make it

639
00:27:53,789 --> 00:27:52,299
really easy when you got to go to bed at

640
00:27:58,190 --> 00:27:53,799
night worrying about all this stuff huh

641
00:28:06,990 --> 00:28:04,200
Ricky Gervais and the the the Golden

642
00:28:10,110 --> 00:28:07,000
Globes right which was what that was

643
00:28:15,659 --> 00:28:10,120
Sunday night those were good days

644
00:28:18,650 --> 00:28:15,669
weren't they it was two days ago two

645
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:18,660
days ago all right now when we come back

646
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:22,450
you and I were riffing before the show

647
00:28:27,180 --> 00:28:24,970
and and I'd said to you man can't we

648
00:28:28,049 --> 00:28:27,190
just go and and research the great

649
00:28:31,289 --> 00:28:28,059
pyramid or go

650
00:28:32,789 --> 00:28:31,299
tapi do we got to do this you know I

651
00:28:34,739 --> 00:28:32,799
just don't want to talk about this so

652
00:28:38,489 --> 00:28:34,749
we're gonna have a lot of fun tonight

653
00:28:40,109 --> 00:28:38,499
talking about wherever this conversation

654
00:28:41,659 --> 00:28:40,119
takes us but I want to ask you this

655
00:28:45,930 --> 00:28:41,669
before we had to break you're a musician

656
00:28:47,879 --> 00:28:45,940
which what's your newest guitar what's

657
00:28:49,049 --> 00:28:47,889
your newest instrument what did you pick

658
00:28:52,139 --> 00:28:49,059
up recently what did you get for

659
00:28:53,940 --> 00:28:52,149
Christmas huh man I've been safe playing

660
00:28:57,570 --> 00:28:53,950
the same two guitars for close to a

661
00:28:58,979 --> 00:28:57,580
decade okay and my friends all say the

662
00:29:01,709 --> 00:28:58,989
same thing they like man I mean you know

663
00:29:06,419 --> 00:29:01,719
my brother Jason he just allowed me to

664
00:29:08,519 --> 00:29:06,429
test-drive five or six beautiful guitars

665
00:29:11,129 --> 00:29:08,529
that he owns most of them are

666
00:29:13,139 --> 00:29:11,139
Telecasters and you know again we were

667
00:29:16,049 --> 00:29:13,149
kind of laughing about it because I own

668
00:29:19,589 --> 00:29:16,059
two guitars but one is a Alpine White

669
00:29:21,119 --> 00:29:19,599
Gibson Les Paul Custom nice yeah and

670
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:21,129
it's not quite Alpine white anymore

671
00:29:25,379 --> 00:29:22,330
because anyone who owns one of those

672
00:29:28,709 --> 00:29:25,389
guitars knows that the paint slowly but

673
00:29:30,779 --> 00:29:28,719
but but noticeably over time does begin

674
00:29:40,079 --> 00:29:30,789
to fade not fade to black in this case

675
00:29:41,969 --> 00:29:40,089
no it's a beige yeah so that's my

676
00:29:45,739 --> 00:29:41,979
electric guitar and then my acoustic axe

677
00:29:48,659 --> 00:29:45,749
is a Martin HD 28l SV both of them are

678
00:29:50,729 --> 00:29:48,669
top-of-the-line instruments but yeah I

679
00:29:52,379 --> 00:29:50,739
don't have a massive collection I do

680
00:29:57,959 --> 00:29:52,389
have a strat in the closet I won't lie

681
00:30:01,049 --> 00:29:57,969
right yeah yeah I'm a strat guy I've got

682
00:30:03,269 --> 00:30:01,059
a beautiful as Paul that you know what

683
00:30:05,759 --> 00:30:03,279
I've only played a couple of times and

684
00:30:10,950 --> 00:30:05,769
it still sits as new it's a flame top

685
00:30:13,469 --> 00:30:10,960
and a honey burst gorgeous guitar but

686
00:30:15,089 --> 00:30:13,479
it's there to look good it's one of

687
00:30:17,669 --> 00:30:15,099
those things don't touch it don't touch

688
00:30:19,769 --> 00:30:17,679
it just you know just let sit there but

689
00:30:22,019 --> 00:30:19,779
I'm a big strat guy

690
00:30:24,329 --> 00:30:22,029
what's the strat that's in your closet

691
00:30:26,009 --> 00:30:24,339
I'm so curious you know it's funny

692
00:30:27,539 --> 00:30:26,019
because it's it's not the

693
00:30:30,419 --> 00:30:27,549
top-of-the-line instrument that my other

694
00:30:32,940 --> 00:30:30,429
guitars are it is a little thrown

695
00:30:36,950 --> 00:30:32,950
together she's an American neck on what

696
00:30:40,950 --> 00:30:36,960
I presume to probably be a Pacific Rim

697
00:30:41,850 --> 00:30:40,960
body and I've redone some of the I mean

698
00:30:44,220 --> 00:30:41,860
this thing's like a 19

699
00:30:46,289 --> 00:30:44,230
94 strata I bought it in like 99 so

700
00:30:48,630 --> 00:30:46,299
that's how long I've had it okay you get

701
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:48,640
an American neck on a made in Japan body

702
00:30:53,310 --> 00:30:51,970
that is a that is a class a Stratocaster

703
00:30:54,780 --> 00:30:53,320
man oh yeah

704
00:30:57,390 --> 00:30:54,790
and I've got a seymour duncan mini

705
00:31:00,120 --> 00:30:57,400
humbucker that fits a single coil slot

706
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:00,130
right in lead position all right yeah

707
00:31:05,070 --> 00:31:03,370
yep and I'll put some locking tuners on

708
00:31:06,180 --> 00:31:05,080
it so I mean it plays you know it's it's

709
00:31:08,190 --> 00:31:06,190
what you'd call I guess sort of a

710
00:31:09,810 --> 00:31:08,200
modified super strat right you know what

711
00:31:11,730 --> 00:31:09,820
I you know what I do okay I'm gonna let

712
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:11,740
one of my secrets out this is one of my

713
00:31:16,020 --> 00:31:12,330
secrets

714
00:31:20,130 --> 00:31:16,030
all of my single coils all of my single

715
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:20,140
coil strats actually have inve single

716
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:21,850
coils in them so they're humbuckers

717
00:31:27,180 --> 00:31:24,370
they're stacks but they look vintage

718
00:31:28,799 --> 00:31:27,190
right and they just sound

719
00:31:31,169 --> 00:31:28,809
it's incredible they'd you know they

720
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:31,179
don't have that low output strat single

721
00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:34,690
coil thing they're all zingers but

722
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:37,120
nobody knows and it's my little secret

723
00:31:42,419 --> 00:31:40,090
now apparently everybody knows this is

724
00:31:44,669 --> 00:31:42,429
fade to black our guest tonight as Micah

725
00:31:46,650 --> 00:31:44,679
Hanks and as you can see we have

726
00:31:48,150 --> 00:31:46,660
definitely changed gears we're gonna

727
00:31:50,159 --> 00:31:48,160
talk about everything tonight we're

728
00:31:52,140 --> 00:31:50,169
gonna go ancient history we're gonna

729
00:31:54,780 --> 00:31:52,150
talk some Younger Dryas we're gonna get

730
00:31:56,970 --> 00:31:54,790
some UFOs in there some archaeology

731
00:31:59,730 --> 00:31:56,980
we'll probably get some cryptozoology in

732
00:32:01,169 --> 00:31:59,740
there as well it's Micah Hanks this is

733
00:32:04,930 --> 00:32:01,179
fade to black I'm yours to be Church

734
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:16,400
[Music]

735
00:32:26,250 --> 00:32:24,960
welcome back fade to black our male

736
00:32:28,410 --> 00:32:26,260
shimmy church on the game-changer

737
00:32:31,980 --> 00:32:28,420
network in kg ra the planet you can

738
00:32:34,260 --> 00:32:31,990
follow me on twitter @ JT radio you can

739
00:32:40,830 --> 00:32:34,270
follow Micah we've got Micah's links up

740
00:32:44,910 --> 00:32:40,840
in Twitter right now and I want to say

741
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:44,920
really quick June 26th and 27th 2020 we

742
00:32:48,750 --> 00:32:46,810
will be at the awakening conference in

743
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:48,760
Manchester United Kingdom Rita and I are

744
00:32:52,650 --> 00:32:50,890
heading over to Europe come and hang out

745
00:32:55,410 --> 00:32:52,660
with us and Erich von däniken and

746
00:32:57,570 --> 00:32:55,420
Richard Dolan Nick Pope Grant Cameron 12

747
00:32:59,790 --> 00:32:57,580
other speakers and special guests I'll

748
00:33:05,010 --> 00:32:59,800
be hosting and speaking all weekend just

749
00:33:07,710 --> 00:33:05,020
go to awakening UFO dot-com and Micah

750
00:33:10,590 --> 00:33:07,720
really quick what's your Twitter what's

751
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:10,600
your Twitter handle very easy at Micah

752
00:33:17,580 --> 00:33:13,330
Hanks on Twitter yeah man that's too

753
00:33:19,530 --> 00:33:17,590
simple okay all right we have it up

754
00:33:22,230 --> 00:33:19,540
there I just couldn't I don't want to

755
00:33:24,900 --> 00:33:22,240
get it wrong and the other thing is it's

756
00:33:26,460 --> 00:33:24,910
really cool to hear your voice

757
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:26,470
doing that drop we got to get another

758
00:33:31,500 --> 00:33:29,170
drop cut man we gotta get another drop

759
00:33:33,570 --> 00:33:31,510
cut it's not the grayling report anymore

760
00:33:37,590 --> 00:33:33,580
you change it to the Micah Hanks program

761
00:33:39,300 --> 00:33:37,600
why well you know it's funny I've done

762
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:39,310
the graylien report gosh we did I

763
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:41,050
launched it I mean it was it was a long

764
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:44,050
time ago okay the blog still exists you

765
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:46,690
know I still feature all the shows there

766
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:49,330
at the blog but one of the things that I

767
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:52,330
noticed was you know it's first of all

768
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:55,210
as we're gonna be discussing later I had

769
00:33:58,590 --> 00:33:56,530
begun to take such an interest in

770
00:34:01,140 --> 00:33:58,600
history and archaeology over the last

771
00:34:03,230 --> 00:34:01,150
few years that I didn't necessarily want

772
00:34:05,910 --> 00:34:03,240
a name that was going to be overtly

773
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:05,920
stigmatizing in terms of the kind of

774
00:34:09,780 --> 00:34:07,330
work I was doing and you know for many

775
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:09,790
people the the whole idea behind the

776
00:34:13,380 --> 00:34:11,770
graylien had been sort of a combination

777
00:34:15,659 --> 00:34:13,390
I remember having this conversation with

778
00:34:17,669 --> 00:34:15,669
Philip Coppins years ago I had him on

779
00:34:19,889 --> 00:34:17,679
the show and he had said you know it is

780
00:34:22,889 --> 00:34:19,899
wonderful world where we can have words

781
00:34:24,690 --> 00:34:22,899
like Grail and alien come together he

782
00:34:27,450 --> 00:34:24,700
got it but you know a lot of people and

783
00:34:29,700 --> 00:34:27,460
they were like grey alien what is that

784
00:34:31,860 --> 00:34:29,710
right it was it was a combination of two

785
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:31,870
words but I realized that you know

786
00:34:34,980 --> 00:34:33,610
everyone would go online and instead of

787
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:34,990
trying to figure out you know how to

788
00:34:39,090 --> 00:34:36,610
type grey alien gr

789
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:39,100
ie n they just go looking for Micah

790
00:34:42,390 --> 00:34:41,050
Hanks podcast literally you can of

791
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:42,400
course if you're doing search engine

792
00:34:46,170 --> 00:34:44,050
optimization and stuff for your website

793
00:34:47,730 --> 00:34:46,180
these days it's a must if you're a web

794
00:34:49,620 --> 00:34:47,740
entrepreneur if you have a website you

795
00:34:51,090 --> 00:34:49,630
got to know a little about SEO and so

796
00:34:52,500 --> 00:34:51,100
I'm watching the key terms and the

797
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:52,510
keywords and things people are looking

798
00:34:56,580 --> 00:34:53,770
for everybody's like Micah Hank's

799
00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:56,590
podcast and so it's funny you know there

800
00:35:00,660 --> 00:34:57,970
was a meeting with the Council of nine

801
00:35:02,370 --> 00:35:00,670
that secret illuminative group behind

802
00:35:04,830 --> 00:35:02,380
the scenes that governs all the actions

803
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:04,840
you know in my world from behind the

804
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:06,850
scenes I can neither confirm nor deny

805
00:35:10,770 --> 00:35:08,770
whether some members of that council are

806
00:35:12,810 --> 00:35:10,780
actual extraterrestrials themselves but

807
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:12,820
yeah and they they all said essentially

808
00:35:16,770 --> 00:35:14,890
you know if your gun do things the way

809
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:16,780
that you should do them nowadays brand

810
00:35:19,650 --> 00:35:18,490
your name since your name's out there

811
00:35:21,870 --> 00:35:19,660
and that's what people are looking for

812
00:35:24,330 --> 00:35:21,880
and so it came to pass the vote was

813
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:24,340
passed and the Mike Hanks program was

814
00:35:29,130 --> 00:35:25,930
born but yeah the graylien report blog

815
00:35:30,660 --> 00:35:29,140
is still there it will remain I like to

816
00:35:33,540 --> 00:35:30,670
think of my show as being separate from

817
00:35:34,770 --> 00:35:33,550
that but here's a fun fact Jimmy did you

818
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:34,780
know that before there was a great

819
00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:36,130
leader in report podcast that the

820
00:35:42,110 --> 00:35:38,320
original first show I did was wait for

821
00:35:45,240 --> 00:35:42,120
it it was called the Mike Hanks program

822
00:35:49,580 --> 00:35:45,250
it's so funny here in Hollywood it's all

823
00:35:53,850 --> 00:35:49,590
about branding it's so funny how you

824
00:35:56,430 --> 00:35:53,860
hear you can be imagine getting your

825
00:35:58,080 --> 00:35:56,440
hair cut and the person cutting your

826
00:36:00,090 --> 00:35:58,090
hair is like yeah so you know I've

827
00:36:03,750 --> 00:36:00,100
started a podcast and it's all about

828
00:36:08,490 --> 00:36:03,760
branding my name it does it's like it's

829
00:36:12,030 --> 00:36:08,500
everywhere you go now and certainly I

830
00:36:13,350 --> 00:36:12,040
recognize that too as well and it's the

831
00:36:15,090 --> 00:36:13,360
world that we live in and we've been

832
00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:15,100
talking about the media all night and

833
00:36:22,850 --> 00:36:18,640
the influence of of media and if you

834
00:36:27,990 --> 00:36:22,860
think about how effective it has been

835
00:36:30,060 --> 00:36:28,000
the ability to podcast the ability to

836
00:36:31,650 --> 00:36:30,070
get your voice heard and you write about

837
00:36:33,570 --> 00:36:31,660
this you write about effective

838
00:36:36,030 --> 00:36:33,580
podcasting and you've been doing this

839
00:36:39,330 --> 00:36:36,040
for a long time but if you have

840
00:36:42,690 --> 00:36:39,340
something to say you can do it now

841
00:36:45,210 --> 00:36:42,700
before the rules were simple you had to

842
00:36:48,780 --> 00:36:45,220
go to a radio station do a pitch to a

843
00:36:49,770 --> 00:36:48,790
program director and get denied right

844
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:49,780
there there was

845
00:36:54,630 --> 00:36:52,690
no other way if you were a musician you

846
00:36:58,380 --> 00:36:54,640
had to make a demo tape and go to a

847
00:37:01,020 --> 00:36:58,390
record company and get denied today if

848
00:37:03,300 --> 00:37:01,030
you are a screenwriter you can make your

849
00:37:06,090 --> 00:37:03,310
television series you can distribute it

850
00:37:08,700 --> 00:37:06,100
for free if you can make a movie you can

851
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:08,710
do a radio program a TV program you can

852
00:37:13,350 --> 00:37:10,570
write a book you can do whatever you

853
00:37:15,870 --> 00:37:13,360
want creativity and not have in

854
00:37:20,010 --> 00:37:15,880
creativity and and not have somebody

855
00:37:24,060 --> 00:37:20,020
tell you no now the key is content

856
00:37:26,070 --> 00:37:24,070
that's that's the key yeah I mean people

857
00:37:27,870 --> 00:37:26,080
are gonna resonate with it or not and if

858
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:27,880
they do resonate you're off to the races

859
00:37:32,610 --> 00:37:29,770
and you can have a very successful

860
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:32,620
career today it's pretty incredible it's

861
00:37:36,930 --> 00:37:34,690
pretty inaudible I mean I've got to give

862
00:37:38,310 --> 00:37:36,940
props right here to my pals Greg and

863
00:37:40,410 --> 00:37:38,320
Dana Newkirk I mean look at what they've

864
00:37:42,540 --> 00:37:40,420
done with their series Hellyer yep we

865
00:37:44,070 --> 00:37:42,550
which came as a surprise to me you know

866
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:44,080
when the first season dropped I didn't

867
00:37:47,700 --> 00:37:45,610
even know I was gonna be in it we had

868
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:47,710
filmed the stuff that features me years

869
00:37:52,770 --> 00:37:49,570
ago but I mean it's really taken off and

870
00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:52,780
they are their living proof that in this

871
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:54,400
day and age you know if you've got a

872
00:37:57,990 --> 00:37:55,090
great idea

873
00:37:59,340 --> 00:37:58,000
and you can come up with a you know if

874
00:38:01,860 --> 00:37:59,350
you can not only deliver that content

875
00:38:03,630 --> 00:38:01,870
but find the right medium for doing so

876
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:03,640
in a compelling way that engages your

877
00:38:08,010 --> 00:38:05,530
audience and captures their imaginations

878
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:08,020
like Hellyer does I mean you can sell it

879
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:09,490
and you can do it and they're doing it

880
00:38:13,650 --> 00:38:11,170
completely independent and I mean

881
00:38:15,240 --> 00:38:13,660
there's nothing in my mind cooler than

882
00:38:16,620 --> 00:38:15,250
being able to do that right I mean it's

883
00:38:18,210 --> 00:38:16,630
it's pretty amazing what they've done

884
00:38:19,410 --> 00:38:18,220
and lots of people are doing that these

885
00:38:21,660 --> 00:38:19,420
days heck you know you and I are doing

886
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:21,670
it with our shows showing it really is a

887
00:38:25,860 --> 00:38:24,010
brave new world which is both good

888
00:38:27,720 --> 00:38:25,870
because it gives people it empowers

889
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:27,730
people and gives them the voice that you

890
00:38:32,460 --> 00:38:29,890
know 10 or 12 years ago even that

891
00:38:35,820 --> 00:38:32,470
recently you might not have had but it

892
00:38:37,860 --> 00:38:35,830
also causes us to have to we have to

893
00:38:40,950 --> 00:38:37,870
impose filters a little differently you

894
00:38:45,060 --> 00:38:40,960
know what I mean we have to and and I

895
00:38:46,740 --> 00:38:45,070
think Greg and Dana are also learning by

896
00:38:51,870 --> 00:38:46,750
the seat of their pants about those

897
00:38:54,660 --> 00:38:51,880
filters because they're speaking of

898
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:54,670
Hellyer and this is this this goes out

899
00:38:58,800 --> 00:38:57,490
to anybody that wants to do something

900
00:38:59,430 --> 00:38:58,810
you know what if you've got something on

901
00:39:02,070 --> 00:38:59,440
your mind

902
00:39:03,030 --> 00:39:02,080
frigging do it there's nothing stopping

903
00:39:08,580 --> 00:39:03,040
you

904
00:39:12,750 --> 00:39:08,590
only the content and they got really

905
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:12,760
lucky there because that one letter to

906
00:39:19,140 --> 00:39:16,330
Greg but it was chasing the breadcrumbs

907
00:39:21,690 --> 00:39:19,150
and the synchronicities right and so

908
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:21,700
they got lucky with the energy that they

909
00:39:26,850 --> 00:39:24,970
have not everybody's got that where you

910
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:26,860
never take your foot off the gas but

911
00:39:32,570 --> 00:39:29,050
it's not only that it's the graphics

912
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:32,580
it's the music it's the editing it's the

913
00:39:38,010 --> 00:39:35,130
cinematography all of it done

914
00:39:41,790 --> 00:39:38,020
self-funded on a budget you're not

915
00:39:46,860 --> 00:39:41,800
limited to the sacrifice of production

916
00:39:49,590 --> 00:39:46,870
value or quality because of the lack of

917
00:39:51,570 --> 00:39:49,600
support from a major Network you don't

918
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:51,580
necessarily need that and you'd look at

919
00:39:57,660 --> 00:39:55,450
Hellyer and you and unless you know that

920
00:40:00,150 --> 00:39:57,670
they didn't have a monstrous budget

921
00:40:02,850 --> 00:40:00,160
right that show looks like they had a

922
00:40:07,740 --> 00:40:02,860
catering truck they had a sound truck

923
00:40:09,900 --> 00:40:07,750
right they had piays and production

924
00:40:12,180 --> 00:40:09,910
assistants and an unlimited budget and

925
00:40:16,050 --> 00:40:12,190
and planes and trains and we're able

926
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:16,060
that's not the case you know but the the

927
00:40:20,700 --> 00:40:18,730
the series is a huge success and I'm so

928
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:20,710
proud of what they've been able to

929
00:40:25,890 --> 00:40:23,050
accomplish and anybody can do it

930
00:40:27,990 --> 00:40:25,900
that's it you're not limited these days

931
00:40:32,070 --> 00:40:28,000
and and Hellyer it's a great example of

932
00:40:33,930 --> 00:40:32,080
that and and switching actually over a

933
00:40:36,780 --> 00:40:33,940
little bit because we're gonna stay on

934
00:40:43,740 --> 00:40:36,790
the same subject but discussing UFOs

935
00:40:45,930 --> 00:40:43,750
today I remember I listened to you give

936
00:40:48,210 --> 00:40:45,940
a presentation years ago doesn't matter

937
00:40:52,050 --> 00:40:48,220
what when or where but I remember

938
00:40:56,690 --> 00:40:52,060
listening to you speak and on the

939
00:41:02,250 --> 00:40:56,700
subject of UFOs and you hit me as

940
00:41:06,150 --> 00:41:02,260
somebody that was a little skeptical if

941
00:41:09,240 --> 00:41:06,160
not a lot skeptical but knows that there

942
00:41:14,530 --> 00:41:09,250
is something going on but were polluted

943
00:41:17,650 --> 00:41:14,540
with creative facts and real facts

944
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:17,660
and those out there that will push

945
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:20,330
something that may not but people

946
00:41:24,490 --> 00:41:21,770
believe what they're going to believe

947
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:24,500
and you did an entire presentation on

948
00:41:31,210 --> 00:41:26,570
this and I sat back and I thought to

949
00:41:33,850 --> 00:41:31,220
myself is is Michael with us or against

950
00:41:35,860 --> 00:41:33,860
us and what I've learned since then and

951
00:41:38,050 --> 00:41:35,870
this is where I want your comment what

952
00:41:40,930 --> 00:41:38,060
I've learned since then is one of the

953
00:41:45,730 --> 00:41:40,940
best ways to look at you follow G in the

954
00:41:48,100 --> 00:41:45,740
UFO community is that you you're gonna

955
00:41:51,730 --> 00:41:48,110
believe what you want to believe but you

956
00:41:54,370 --> 00:41:51,740
need to be careful as how you move

957
00:41:58,570 --> 00:41:54,380
forward and what you research and what

958
00:42:02,350 --> 00:41:58,580
you choose to go all in on and does that

959
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:02,360
describe you correctly well yeah it does

960
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:04,130
you know I believe I remember the same

961
00:42:09,070 --> 00:42:06,290
event that you're talking about and you

962
00:42:12,460 --> 00:42:09,080
know the the fundamental premise that

963
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:12,470
I've always tried to present to the UFO

964
00:42:19,630 --> 00:42:16,010
community is first of all let's

965
00:42:22,510 --> 00:42:19,640
establish that I do feel that there is a

966
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:22,520
phenomenon right it needs to be studied

967
00:42:29,590 --> 00:42:25,370
now I also recognize that when we say

968
00:42:31,540 --> 00:42:29,600
UFO unidentified flying object there are

969
00:42:34,690 --> 00:42:31,550
a lot of different things that might

970
00:42:36,100 --> 00:42:34,700
constitute a UFO you know if there's an

971
00:42:39,100 --> 00:42:36,110
experimental government aircraft but

972
00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:39,110
only a few people due to the clandestine

973
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:40,730
nature of the black budget program that

974
00:42:44,170 --> 00:42:42,770
produces this aircraft only a few people

975
00:42:46,660 --> 00:42:44,180
actually know what that is and what its

976
00:42:48,490 --> 00:42:46,670
origins are if the general public

977
00:42:50,470 --> 00:42:48,500
observes that object and it's an

978
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:50,480
aircraft that is capable of things that

979
00:42:53,860 --> 00:42:52,010
far exceed known aircraft we're all

980
00:42:56,860 --> 00:42:53,870
gonna look at that and go hot dang

981
00:42:59,620 --> 00:42:56,870
there's a UFO if we observe ball

982
00:43:00,820 --> 00:42:59,630
lightning especially at a distance we're

983
00:43:02,830 --> 00:43:00,830
gonna see a light moving through the sky

984
00:43:04,900 --> 00:43:02,840
and behaving irrationally and then just

985
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:04,910
zapping out and you know a couple of

986
00:43:08,890 --> 00:43:06,410
atmospheric scientists might look at

987
00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:08,900
that and say that was probably ball

988
00:43:12,190 --> 00:43:10,250
lightning but I mean maybe the average

989
00:43:13,300 --> 00:43:12,200
observer who is not used to seeing ball

990
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:13,310
lightning like that they're gonna look

991
00:43:17,530 --> 00:43:15,770
at it and go whoa whoa whoa that wasn't

992
00:43:20,860 --> 00:43:17,540
a star that didn't look like a meteor

993
00:43:24,070 --> 00:43:20,870
you know what was that then there are

994
00:43:26,050 --> 00:43:24,080
those observations of things that seem

995
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:26,060
to fall neither into the category of

996
00:43:32,470 --> 00:43:27,690
manmade nor natural

997
00:43:35,180 --> 00:43:32,480
right and if anyone reviews carefully

998
00:43:38,180 --> 00:43:35,190
the anecdotal data that comprises the

999
00:43:39,980 --> 00:43:38,190
history of the subject which we call UFO

1000
00:43:43,339 --> 00:43:39,990
studies I refrain from calling it UF

1001
00:43:44,630 --> 00:43:43,349
ology because to to append ology on to

1002
00:43:46,460 --> 00:43:44,640
the end of it would seem to denote that

1003
00:43:49,630 --> 00:43:46,470
we are trying to apply science to it

1004
00:43:52,430 --> 00:43:49,640
I have always advocated scientific

1005
00:43:55,150 --> 00:43:52,440
minded studies and critiques of the UFO

1006
00:43:57,589 --> 00:43:55,160
phenomenon because only through

1007
00:44:00,589 --> 00:43:57,599
scientific study will we really proceed

1008
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:00,599
in what we know and what we're trying to

1009
00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:02,810
ascertain about the phenomenon but

1010
00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:05,520
what's interesting Jimmy is I think

1011
00:44:09,650 --> 00:44:06,960
we're still at this point where we're in

1012
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:09,660
the pre scientific stage if we look at

1013
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:11,970
philosophers like Thomas Kuhn and others

1014
00:44:16,670 --> 00:44:14,490
you know who have talked about the

1015
00:44:18,710 --> 00:44:16,680
scientific process and philosophically

1016
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:18,720
speaking really what it takes for a

1017
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:22,770
subject to be recognized broadly so that

1018
00:44:28,370 --> 00:44:24,450
scientists actually take it seriously

1019
00:44:30,020 --> 00:44:28,380
begin to study it I would recognize UFOs

1020
00:44:32,329 --> 00:44:30,030
as being a topic that is sort of on the

1021
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:32,339
cusp of stepping over into a realm where

1022
00:44:37,339 --> 00:44:34,050
scientists are now beginning to look at

1023
00:44:39,890 --> 00:44:37,349
it seriously but up until around 2017 we

1024
00:44:42,050 --> 00:44:39,900
might argue that most scientists would

1025
00:44:43,569 --> 00:44:42,060
not look at it many had Jacques Vallee

1026
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:43,579
comes to mind a number of others do but

1027
00:44:48,589 --> 00:44:46,770
of course Hynek both at the same time

1028
00:44:51,620 --> 00:44:48,599
and even a little before Hynek had done

1029
00:44:53,270 --> 00:44:51,630
the same thing or I'm sorry I shall and

1030
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:53,280
Hynek although they were colleagues but

1031
00:44:56,690 --> 00:44:55,170
again there have been some notable

1032
00:44:59,300 --> 00:44:56,700
scientists who have looked at the

1033
00:45:00,920 --> 00:44:59,310
problem prior to the modern era but the

1034
00:45:03,109 --> 00:45:00,930
point I'm making is that most would not

1035
00:45:05,270 --> 00:45:03,119
and they would not because they do not

1036
00:45:07,220 --> 00:45:05,280
perceive the UFO phenomenon is being

1037
00:45:09,290 --> 00:45:07,230
either a credible subject you know

1038
00:45:10,579 --> 00:45:09,300
worthy of science being applied to it

1039
00:45:13,069 --> 00:45:10,589
they didn't think that there really was

1040
00:45:16,099 --> 00:45:13,079
a phenomenon and that this was all just

1041
00:45:17,210 --> 00:45:16,109
the works of cranks weirdos and those

1042
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:17,220
who are trying to pull the wool over

1043
00:45:21,650 --> 00:45:19,770
people's eyes and hoaxes maybe for

1044
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:21,660
profit right you know create hoaxes and

1045
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:23,520
try and profit from this so they could

1046
00:45:27,170 --> 00:45:24,690
get attention they could get on

1047
00:45:29,270 --> 00:45:27,180
television whatever you know that sort

1048
00:45:31,700 --> 00:45:29,280
of very closed-minded scientific

1049
00:45:33,230 --> 00:45:31,710
attitude was more often applied to it

1050
00:45:34,490 --> 00:45:33,240
and even those scientists who might have

1051
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:34,500
thought that there was something more to

1052
00:45:38,900 --> 00:45:37,170
it they would fall in step with that

1053
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:38,910
ideology because they were and this is

1054
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:41,490
important sociologically they would be

1055
00:45:48,370 --> 00:45:45,450
afraid of being judged by their peers if

1056
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:48,380
they did not which is a big factor here

1057
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:51,210
for us to really begin to move out of

1058
00:45:58,370 --> 00:45:54,770
the pre scientific stage of UFO research

1059
00:46:00,260 --> 00:45:58,380
we have required data the likes of which

1060
00:46:04,100 --> 00:46:00,270
is now only beginning to be forthcoming

1061
00:46:05,930 --> 00:46:04,110
and yes these three remarkably ambiguous

1062
00:46:07,609 --> 00:46:05,940
videos but nonetheless videos which

1063
00:46:10,820 --> 00:46:07,619
appear to show something that the u.s.

1064
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:10,830
Navy filmed and cannot identify the app

1065
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:13,770
flare pod systems but that the array

1066
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:15,330
theon company produced they are helping

1067
00:46:20,930 --> 00:46:18,450
us ascertain some details and what

1068
00:46:22,430 --> 00:46:20,940
little it actually tells us is less

1069
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:22,440
relevant than the fact that these things

1070
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:24,050
appear to have behavioral

1071
00:46:28,910 --> 00:46:26,130
characteristics that are beyond the

1072
00:46:31,700 --> 00:46:28,920
scope of known aviation or aerospace

1073
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:31,710
technology so now I think that with what

1074
00:46:36,410 --> 00:46:33,330
little instrumental data is forthcoming

1075
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:36,420
that paired with the existing data the

1076
00:46:40,970 --> 00:46:38,160
anecdotal data eyewitness accounts and

1077
00:46:42,710 --> 00:46:40,980
the historical accounts with relation to

1078
00:46:44,330 --> 00:46:42,720
UFOs over the last several decades and

1079
00:46:46,460 --> 00:46:44,340
some would say going back even further I

1080
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:46,470
think all of these factors are helping

1081
00:46:50,030 --> 00:46:47,970
move this subject into a realm where now

1082
00:46:51,650 --> 00:46:50,040
scientists and I actually have spoken

1083
00:46:54,140 --> 00:46:51,660
with many scientists who still don't

1084
00:46:56,240 --> 00:46:54,150
come out in in broad daylight and just

1085
00:46:58,490 --> 00:46:56,250
you know raise their voice in saying hey

1086
00:47:01,580 --> 00:46:58,500
I'm into UFOs many of them still keep a

1087
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:01,590
low profile but many scientists now have

1088
00:47:04,820 --> 00:47:03,090
reached out to me and we have had some

1089
00:47:06,170 --> 00:47:04,830
very candid conversations about their

1090
00:47:08,950 --> 00:47:06,180
interest in this topic so that I'm

1091
00:47:12,770 --> 00:47:08,960
hopeful for but in relation to why I say

1092
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:12,780
UFO research instead of ufology with the

1093
00:47:16,940 --> 00:47:14,490
body of data that we have even if we

1094
00:47:18,770 --> 00:47:16,950
aren't necessarily employing scientists

1095
00:47:20,210 --> 00:47:18,780
and applying science to the study of

1096
00:47:22,700 --> 00:47:20,220
this phenomenon as I have always

1097
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:22,710
advocated that we should you know what's

1098
00:47:25,460 --> 00:47:23,850
the one thing you can really be an an

1099
00:47:26,900 --> 00:47:25,470
expert or if you're gonna study your

1100
00:47:29,510 --> 00:47:26,910
foes what's the one thing you can be an

1101
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:29,520
expert in well I would say the history

1102
00:47:36,170 --> 00:47:32,160
of the phenomenon right if we can

1103
00:47:39,650 --> 00:47:36,180
document the development of thought the

1104
00:47:42,349 --> 00:47:39,660
key instances where based on especially

1105
00:47:44,420 --> 00:47:42,359
multiplied witness eyewitness encounters

1106
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:44,430
and you know observations that have

1107
00:47:49,940 --> 00:47:46,530
merit that are well recorded and which

1108
00:47:52,310 --> 00:47:49,950
may also contain some data in support of

1109
00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:52,320
the eyewitness observation if we can

1110
00:47:54,620 --> 00:47:53,760
document those things in a historical

1111
00:47:57,540 --> 00:47:54,630
context

1112
00:47:59,910 --> 00:47:57,550
that is a significant contribution also

1113
00:48:01,319 --> 00:47:59,920
toward the further 'men of our

1114
00:48:02,790 --> 00:48:01,329
scientific understanding of this

1115
00:48:05,010 --> 00:48:02,800
phenomenon so that is something I've

1116
00:48:06,599 --> 00:48:05,020
been engaged in doing pretty actively

1117
00:48:09,299 --> 00:48:06,609
for the last several months going back

1118
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:09,309
and starting you know way back in the

1119
00:48:12,240 --> 00:48:10,690
day and moving forward and trying to

1120
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:12,250
ascertain you know what is this

1121
00:48:15,900 --> 00:48:14,410
phenomenon and one big takeaway coming

1122
00:48:18,420 --> 00:48:15,910
back to how you described it there at

1123
00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:18,430
the outset one big takeaway Jimmy has

1124
00:48:23,849 --> 00:48:21,040
been that it you know apart from the

1125
00:48:27,650 --> 00:48:23,859
apparent present of a phenomenon there

1126
00:48:30,990 --> 00:48:27,660
is the human interpretation of it I mean

1127
00:48:32,069 --> 00:48:31,000
humans are very complex it's just like

1128
00:48:33,990 --> 00:48:32,079
what we talked about in the opening

1129
00:48:36,750 --> 00:48:34,000
segment with politics with international

1130
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:36,760
issues and foreign policy there is the

1131
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:39,130
event and then there are the levels of

1132
00:48:43,710 --> 00:48:41,290
interpretation the filters that humans

1133
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:43,720
have to try and work through in order to

1134
00:48:48,210 --> 00:48:46,210
understand said event and that is as

1135
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:48,220
fascinating to me as the UFO phenomenon

1136
00:48:52,589 --> 00:48:49,690
but that makes it very complex to try

1137
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:52,599
and do a truly objective study of the

1138
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:53,890
phenomena nonetheless I think a

1139
00:48:57,900 --> 00:48:56,170
phenomenon exists and I think that we're

1140
00:48:58,950 --> 00:48:57,910
definitely making some progress and that

1141
00:48:59,849 --> 00:48:58,960
a lot of that has occurred in the last

1142
00:49:04,520 --> 00:48:59,859
few years

1143
00:49:07,770 --> 00:49:04,530
it certainly has and if if we go back to

1144
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:07,780
look at history recent history and that

1145
00:49:13,260 --> 00:49:09,970
goes back to the creation of the Drake

1146
00:49:15,870 --> 00:49:13,270
Equation or Enrico Fermi and the Fermi

1147
00:49:18,750 --> 00:49:15,880
paradox or the way the Carl Sagan looked

1148
00:49:20,609 --> 00:49:18,760
at things and certainly Jacque who I

1149
00:49:24,660 --> 00:49:20,619
have a great amount of respect for and

1150
00:49:28,349 --> 00:49:24,670
and J Allen Hynek in that they didn't

1151
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:28,359
have back then the data that we have

1152
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:33,690
acquired since 1998 in the last 20 years

1153
00:49:43,859 --> 00:49:38,770
20 years 20 short years we went from

1154
00:49:47,670 --> 00:49:43,869
because Sagan and infer me and and Dre

1155
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:47,680
all of all of those cats didn't know if

1156
00:49:54,059 --> 00:49:50,770
there were other planets outside of our

1157
00:49:58,530 --> 00:49:54,069
own solar system they wondered if there

1158
00:50:02,940 --> 00:49:58,540
was one one another one like ours in the

1159
00:50:06,299 --> 00:50:02,950
universe well today we now know today

1160
00:50:09,329 --> 00:50:06,309
that in our Milky Way

1161
00:50:13,289 --> 00:50:09,339
not the universe in our Milky Way we

1162
00:50:16,679 --> 00:50:13,299
have one trillion planets that every

1163
00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:16,689
star that you look at in the night sky

1164
00:50:24,799 --> 00:50:19,359
when you walk out in your yard and you

1165
00:50:27,630 --> 00:50:24,809
look up every single star has a planet

1166
00:50:30,179 --> 00:50:27,640
they didn't have that data before and

1167
00:50:33,209 --> 00:50:30,189
the other part of that that they have

1168
00:50:35,249 --> 00:50:33,219
extrapolated from those numbers which

1169
00:50:37,410 --> 00:50:35,259
are ginormous and this is the science

1170
00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:37,420
side this is a cosmology this is the

1171
00:50:46,259 --> 00:50:40,089
astronomy side of it out of that one

1172
00:50:51,689 --> 00:50:46,269
trillion planets 100 billion to 200

1173
00:50:55,319 --> 00:50:51,699
billion are earth-like rocky planets now

1174
00:50:58,289 --> 00:50:55,329
that's where things get upset and you

1175
00:51:01,529 --> 00:50:58,299
take that number the same number the

1176
00:51:06,539 --> 00:51:01,539
same formula and you apply it to the

1177
00:51:08,969 --> 00:51:06,549
galaxies in the observable universe not

1178
00:51:10,949 --> 00:51:08,979
the entire universe because we don't

1179
00:51:13,109 --> 00:51:10,959
know what's out there it's a now

1180
00:51:15,089 --> 00:51:13,119
expanded beyond our vision we have no

1181
00:51:18,059 --> 00:51:15,099
idea how many galaxies there actually

1182
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:18,069
are but there's between 500 billion and

1183
00:51:28,410 --> 00:51:21,729
a trillion galaxies in the observable

1184
00:51:31,469 --> 00:51:28,420
universe each with 500 billion stars 500

1185
00:51:34,679 --> 00:51:31,479
billion planets now that's where these

1186
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:34,689
numbers get out of control so the Fermi

1187
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:36,729
paradox in the Drake Equation and the

1188
00:51:42,870 --> 00:51:39,249
way that Carl Sagan looked at everything

1189
00:51:45,479 --> 00:51:42,880
was wrong they didn't know that their

1190
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:45,489
view on intelligent life out there and

1191
00:51:50,489 --> 00:51:47,890
the possibilities of it would have been

1192
00:51:53,039 --> 00:51:50,499
vastly different if they knew what we

1193
00:51:55,019 --> 00:51:53,049
knew today and that's the part of

1194
00:51:57,630 --> 00:51:55,029
science when it comes to the UFO

1195
00:52:00,150 --> 00:51:57,640
phenomenon and intelligent life in the

1196
00:52:02,699 --> 00:52:00,160
universe and are we alone those

1197
00:52:04,919 --> 00:52:02,709
questions start to answer themselves and

1198
00:52:08,519 --> 00:52:04,929
that's why it's an exciting time for you

1199
00:52:10,469 --> 00:52:08,529
follow gee my friend I I I know that the

1200
00:52:13,109 --> 00:52:10,479
proof of everything is going to come

1201
00:52:16,799 --> 00:52:13,119
from science we can't give any more

1202
00:52:17,720 --> 00:52:16,809
eyewitness accounts well yeah I mean

1203
00:52:20,260 --> 00:52:17,730
that hasn't

1204
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:20,270
right all the video and photographs and

1205
00:52:26,900 --> 00:52:24,210
abductions and contact we've been trying

1206
00:52:29,090 --> 00:52:26,910
that angle for a very long time I have

1207
00:52:30,740 --> 00:52:29,100
seen things I can't explain but that's

1208
00:52:34,070 --> 00:52:30,750
not good enough I know that the

1209
00:52:35,780 --> 00:52:34,080
phenomenon is real I think the proof for

1210
00:52:37,849 --> 00:52:35,790
it for the community for the world is

1211
00:52:41,330 --> 00:52:37,859
gonna come from science and we are right

1212
00:52:44,930 --> 00:52:41,340
on the brink yeah I agree with you 100%

1213
00:52:47,599 --> 00:52:44,940
science is the path toward understanding

1214
00:52:49,250 --> 00:52:47,609
any phenomena it is a process that has

1215
00:52:51,980 --> 00:52:49,260
been developed very slowly you know born

1216
00:52:53,690 --> 00:52:51,990
out of philosophy and you know first in

1217
00:52:55,550 --> 00:52:53,700
its earliest iterations really referred

1218
00:52:59,300 --> 00:52:55,560
to as a branch of philosophy natural

1219
00:53:01,849 --> 00:52:59,310
philosophy and if only the philosophers

1220
00:53:03,500 --> 00:53:01,859
who were the earliest I mean really the

1221
00:53:06,950 --> 00:53:03,510
first philosophers were the first

1222
00:53:08,510 --> 00:53:06,960
scientists but if as science begins to

1223
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:08,520
evolve as we know it today out of

1224
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:10,650
philosophy if those philosophers of that

1225
00:53:15,109 --> 00:53:12,450
era the Enlightenment era you know and

1226
00:53:16,460 --> 00:53:15,119
Newton himself if they could see the way

1227
00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:16,470
that scientists today talk about

1228
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:17,520
philosophy

1229
00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:21,810
they would probably be shocked they

1230
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:23,040
would be shocked at the level of

1231
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:25,770
sophistication but what has changed so

1232
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:27,330
much I think it really has a lot to do

1233
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:29,490
with the way that technology has

1234
00:53:35,060 --> 00:53:31,970
expanded in how technology and

1235
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:35,070
technological growth you know has run

1236
00:53:39,020 --> 00:53:37,170
parallel to scientific understanding

1237
00:53:41,150 --> 00:53:39,030
that has been really a game changer and

1238
00:53:43,220 --> 00:53:41,160
hey you know wise men once said if the

1239
00:53:44,390 --> 00:53:43,230
game is rigged changed the game I think

1240
00:53:46,460 --> 00:53:44,400
that scientists have been doing that for

1241
00:53:48,380 --> 00:53:46,470
a long time but you know coming back to

1242
00:53:50,780 --> 00:53:48,390
Fermi and Sagan and guys like that

1243
00:53:53,170 --> 00:53:50,790
you're right they were wrong in a lot of

1244
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:53,180
their fundamental assessments probably

1245
00:53:56,270 --> 00:53:55,170
even though a lot of people still cite

1246
00:53:58,010 --> 00:53:56,280
their work and I'm not saying if they're

1247
00:53:59,510 --> 00:53:58,020
wrong about everything I mean I read a

1248
00:54:01,160 --> 00:53:59,520
great article at Scientific American the

1249
00:54:03,380 --> 00:54:01,170
other day about the Fermi paradox you

1250
00:54:05,780 --> 00:54:03,390
know as a thought exercise it's still

1251
00:54:08,599 --> 00:54:05,790
correct but I would guess and as time

1252
00:54:11,210 --> 00:54:08,609
goes on science is going to help us show

1253
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:11,220
this demonstrable that they work in

1254
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:14,690
correct but it was due to a lack of data

1255
00:54:18,859 --> 00:54:17,130
necessary at the time to be able to make

1256
00:54:20,599 --> 00:54:18,869
a full assessment of right phenomena

1257
00:54:23,270 --> 00:54:20,609
that they were that they were coming you

1258
00:54:25,310 --> 00:54:23,280
know commenting on a good example is

1259
00:54:27,890 --> 00:54:25,320
Carl Sagan early on being an advocate of

1260
00:54:28,940 --> 00:54:27,900
essentially he called it paleo contact

1261
00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:28,950
about what he was describing was

1262
00:54:32,690 --> 00:54:31,440
essentially the same thing that is

1263
00:54:33,980 --> 00:54:32,700
you know present in the work of Erich

1264
00:54:37,490 --> 00:54:33,990
von däniken and all the ancient

1265
00:54:40,490 --> 00:54:37,500
astronaut theorists and the reason that

1266
00:54:42,260 --> 00:54:40,500
he stepped away from that despite having

1267
00:54:44,030 --> 00:54:42,270
authored papers and having given

1268
00:54:46,309 --> 00:54:44,040
addresses and you know talks and

1269
00:54:47,839 --> 00:54:46,319
lectures about it after a few years he

1270
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:47,849
steps away from it because he says that

1271
00:54:52,870 --> 00:54:50,690
a a you know careful review of

1272
00:54:57,020 --> 00:54:52,880
archaeological and historical records

1273
00:54:58,790 --> 00:54:57,030
gave very little indication that this

1274
00:55:00,680 --> 00:54:58,800
sort of contact and early times had

1275
00:55:02,660 --> 00:55:00,690
occurred and therefore he backed away

1276
00:55:04,010 --> 00:55:02,670
from it and he was satisfied with that I

1277
00:55:06,950 --> 00:55:04,020
would in fairness

1278
00:55:09,230 --> 00:55:06,960
put forth the idea not to try and

1279
00:55:11,690 --> 00:55:09,240
anymore legitimize ancient astronaut

1280
00:55:13,490 --> 00:55:11,700
theory than to D legitimize anything

1281
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:13,500
that Sagan said but I think that it's a

1282
00:55:16,220 --> 00:55:14,970
little more complex than just well I

1283
00:55:19,069 --> 00:55:16,230
reviewed the data and found no evidence

1284
00:55:22,220 --> 00:55:19,079
I actually think that part of what it

1285
00:55:23,930 --> 00:55:22,230
was was that Sagan as a scientist was

1286
00:55:28,210 --> 00:55:23,940
putting forward what he believed to be a

1287
00:55:31,670 --> 00:55:28,220
very you know scientific and reasonable

1288
00:55:34,390 --> 00:55:31,680
you know premise hey if alien life

1289
00:55:36,319 --> 00:55:34,400
exists humans sophisticated

1290
00:55:38,359 --> 00:55:36,329
technologically savvy humans have only

1291
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:38,369
been around for a little while and with

1292
00:55:44,510 --> 00:55:42,210
you know 13 billion plus years behind us

1293
00:55:46,579 --> 00:55:44,520
on this planet the idea that it was

1294
00:55:48,950 --> 00:55:46,589
visited in in ancient times is far

1295
00:55:51,470 --> 00:55:48,960
greater than the idea that visitation

1296
00:55:53,180 --> 00:55:51,480
has occurred within the short timeframe

1297
00:55:55,790 --> 00:55:53,190
that technologically human beings would

1298
00:55:57,349 --> 00:55:55,800
be capable of even recognizing a

1299
00:55:59,780 --> 00:55:57,359
visitation if it occurred and therefore

1300
00:56:01,550 --> 00:55:59,790
he wanted to look to the past I think

1301
00:56:02,809 --> 00:56:01,560
and this is my personal theory but and

1302
00:56:07,190 --> 00:56:02,819
I've actually talked with von Daniken

1303
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:07,200
about this too my opinion is that Sagan

1304
00:56:12,500 --> 00:56:08,970
had actually been influenced by the fact

1305
00:56:15,890 --> 00:56:12,510
that guys like von Daniken rose to

1306
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:15,900
public notoriety for advocating those

1307
00:56:20,720 --> 00:56:18,690
hypotheses but because von Daniken of

1308
00:56:23,750 --> 00:56:20,730
course was not a scientist himself and

1309
00:56:25,190 --> 00:56:23,760
would never claim to be I think Sagan

1310
00:56:26,990 --> 00:56:25,200
felt that the topic was becoming

1311
00:56:29,660 --> 00:56:27,000
stigmatized and that he might have had

1312
00:56:32,150 --> 00:56:29,670
to distance himself from it and that

1313
00:56:33,710 --> 00:56:32,160
that call that a sociological factor if

1314
00:56:35,540 --> 00:56:33,720
you will whatever but I think that that

1315
00:56:38,930 --> 00:56:35,550
was probably an influence on Sagan

1316
00:56:42,230 --> 00:56:38,940
turning his back on that topic I spoke

1317
00:56:43,970 --> 00:56:42,240
with the late Stanton Friedman about say

1318
00:56:45,230 --> 00:56:43,980
da Sagan as well and you know they had

1319
00:56:47,270 --> 00:56:45,240
both been in the same graduating

1320
00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:47,280
class at Chicago University and they

1321
00:56:51,830 --> 00:56:49,680
were good friends I didn't know how good

1322
00:56:53,330 --> 00:56:51,840
friends I asked staying about that and

1323
00:56:54,859 --> 00:56:53,340
he said oh he said we were great friends

1324
00:56:58,220 --> 00:56:54,869
he said I was up there you know near his

1325
00:57:00,650 --> 00:56:58,230
near his home and he had me over for

1326
00:57:03,140 --> 00:57:00,660
coffee cake one afternoon before a talk

1327
00:57:05,770 --> 00:57:03,150
I gave and I said okay you guys really

1328
00:57:08,420 --> 00:57:05,780
were good friends and he told me that

1329
00:57:10,940 --> 00:57:08,430
talking with Sagan about the UFO thing

1330
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:10,950
he said you know Carl surely you haven't

1331
00:57:14,780 --> 00:57:13,410
ruled out this possibility and take this

1332
00:57:17,210 --> 00:57:14,790
for what it is but this is what Stan

1333
00:57:18,590 --> 00:57:17,220
said that Sagan told him they're both

1334
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:18,600
deceased now so we can't really ask

1335
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:21,090
either of them but Stan told me that

1336
00:57:27,620 --> 00:57:24,930
Sagan said of course I'm interested in

1337
00:57:29,330 --> 00:57:27,630
that possibility that the UFO phenomenon

1338
00:57:30,859 --> 00:57:29,340
whatever that may be actually represents

1339
00:57:32,690 --> 00:57:30,869
extraterrestrial visitation I've never

1340
00:57:34,460 --> 00:57:32,700
ruled that out but he said you know I

1341
00:57:36,470 --> 00:57:34,470
can't just go out there and run my mouth

1342
00:57:38,090 --> 00:57:36,480
and and talk about it the way that you

1343
00:57:40,250 --> 00:57:38,100
do he says you know I would lose funding

1344
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:40,260
this would get somebody in trouble you

1345
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:42,450
know this would raise this issue here

1346
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:45,930
he said it's essentially complicated so

1347
00:57:49,130 --> 00:57:47,610
if that's to be to believed and I don't

1348
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:49,140
have any reason to think that it's not

1349
00:57:53,210 --> 00:57:51,210
you know what Stan seems to indicate is

1350
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:53,220
that Sagan maintained that interest but

1351
00:57:57,620 --> 00:57:54,810
like a lot of sign I'm sure he did I

1352
00:57:59,810 --> 00:57:57,630
mean I'm I'm certain he did but like a

1353
00:58:01,880 --> 00:57:59,820
lot of scientists he had to approach it

1354
00:58:04,670 --> 00:58:01,890
very carefully and that I think supports

1355
00:58:06,530 --> 00:58:04,680
the idea that the media attention that

1356
00:58:07,970 --> 00:58:06,540
the subject began to get especially with

1357
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:07,980
the publication of Chariots of the Gods

1358
00:58:12,590 --> 00:58:10,770
and and von Daniken's rise to prominence

1359
00:58:14,990 --> 00:58:12,600
in the public sphere I think that

1360
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:15,000
probably influenced Sagan as it has a

1361
00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:17,130
lot of scientists they feel like if

1362
00:58:20,270 --> 00:58:19,200
that's a popular idea but it's not one

1363
00:58:21,859 --> 00:58:20,280
that is being approached by the

1364
00:58:24,050 --> 00:58:21,869
scientific community I can have nothing

1365
00:58:25,340 --> 00:58:24,060
to do with it I hope that we're

1366
00:58:27,620 --> 00:58:25,350
beginning to see a shift in that

1367
00:58:30,020 --> 00:58:27,630
attitude because I do feel that at the

1368
00:58:31,490 --> 00:58:30,030
root of the UFO phenomenon putting

1369
00:58:33,140 --> 00:58:31,500
everybody's pet theories and belief

1370
00:58:35,270 --> 00:58:33,150
systems aside I feel that there is a

1371
00:58:37,340 --> 00:58:35,280
phenomenon worthy of being studied and

1372
00:58:39,470 --> 00:58:37,350
back to your point science is going to

1373
00:58:41,090 --> 00:58:39,480
be the way that we learn the most about

1374
00:58:43,070 --> 00:58:41,100
it and further our knowledge about it

1375
00:58:45,510 --> 00:58:43,080
let's take our break right here our

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00:58:47,460 --> 00:58:45,520
guest tonight is Micah Hanks

1377
00:58:49,550 --> 00:58:47,470
yeah you can already tell it's one of

1378
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:49,560
those conversations more with Micah

1379
00:58:53,100 --> 00:58:51,250
after this short break

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00:58:57,300 --> 00:58:53,110
this is fade to black I'm Yours Timmy

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00:59:36,089 --> 00:59:31,980
[Music]

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00:59:41,079 --> 00:59:38,589
welcome back fade to black I'm your host

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00:59:43,809 --> 00:59:41,089
Jimmy Church you can subscribe to our

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00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:43,819
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00:59:51,099 --> 00:59:48,769
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00:59:58,449 --> 00:59:55,640
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1390
01:00:01,420 --> 00:59:58,459
have over eleven hundred and sixty

1391
01:00:04,660 --> 01:00:01,430
unbelievable I'll say it again over

1392
01:00:06,219 --> 01:00:04,670
eleven hundred and sixty archive shows

1393
01:00:08,679 --> 01:00:06,229
right there for just two dollars a month

1394
01:00:14,199 --> 01:00:08,689
how do you get to that number Micah a

1395
01:00:18,219 --> 01:00:14,209
thousand shows right question why a

1396
01:00:19,599 --> 01:00:18,229
thousand shows unbelievable and it's not

1397
01:00:22,029 --> 01:00:19,609
going to be long we're gonna be saying

1398
01:00:25,660 --> 01:00:22,039
two thousand and and when you combine

1399
01:00:28,059 --> 01:00:25,670
everything else it's an astronomical

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01:00:30,039 --> 01:00:28,069
number and and you've been with us since

1401
01:00:32,140 --> 01:00:30,049
the very beginning and I do want to

1402
01:00:33,969 --> 01:00:32,150
thank you not only for your support for

1403
01:00:36,759 --> 01:00:33,979
being a friend and the community

1404
01:00:38,170 --> 01:00:36,769
respects you so much and one of the

1405
01:00:41,049 --> 01:00:38,180
things that I want to discuss right now

1406
01:00:46,660 --> 01:00:41,059
is your recent trip to the Azores and

1407
01:00:49,329 --> 01:00:46,670
Portugal I I happen to catch this is a

1408
01:00:54,789 --> 01:00:49,339
couple of months ago happened to catch a

1409
01:00:57,939 --> 01:00:54,799
documentary on one of my apps on you

1410
01:01:01,179 --> 01:00:57,949
know Amazon whatever NatGeo or Science

1411
01:01:06,130 --> 01:01:01,189
Channel one at one and it was a research

1412
01:01:09,549 --> 01:01:06,140
trip to the Azores to a couple of caves

1413
01:01:14,049 --> 01:01:09,559
and some systems there that would

1414
01:01:17,949 --> 01:01:14,059
indicate now we need to talk in it with

1415
01:01:19,929 --> 01:01:17,959
a geographical sense where these islands

1416
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:19,939
are located because it's pretty

1417
01:01:28,479 --> 01:01:24,170
significant but putting that aside the

1418
01:01:31,359 --> 01:01:28,489
Azores are a recent discovery it's a

1419
01:01:38,589 --> 01:01:31,369
modern it's a modern part of

1420
01:01:42,329 --> 01:01:38,599
civilization and it appears that the

1421
01:01:46,059 --> 01:01:42,339
islands were visited and inhabited

1422
01:01:48,010 --> 01:01:46,069
pre-columbian and I didn't know about

1423
01:01:49,420 --> 01:01:48,020
this I'm watching this documentary

1424
01:01:51,700 --> 01:01:49,430
like why aren't people talking about

1425
01:01:53,710 --> 01:01:51,710
this why isn't there research going on

1426
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:53,720
why isn't there an archaeological dig

1427
01:02:00,730 --> 01:01:56,570
there you know the local university is

1428
01:02:03,900 --> 01:02:00,740
is trying to raise funds to get up there

1429
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:03,910
and to examine what is what is going on

1430
01:02:08,530 --> 01:02:05,810
but it's right there in front of

1431
01:02:10,690 --> 01:02:08,540
everybody and if it is what it appears

1432
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:10,700
to be and you were just there looking at

1433
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:13,970
this it's that is a game-changer that

1434
01:02:19,450 --> 01:02:16,250
changes history doesn't it it really

1435
01:02:22,660 --> 01:02:19,460
does you know again the the general

1436
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:22,670
consensus is that the during the Age of

1437
01:02:27,670 --> 01:02:25,850
Discovery of course the the Azorean

1438
01:02:30,820 --> 01:02:27,680
islands were discovered by the

1439
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:30,830
Portuguese but there is mounting

1440
01:02:36,730 --> 01:02:33,770
evidence that may suggest that they were

1441
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:36,740
known earlier and yes this is partly

1442
01:02:40,060 --> 01:02:38,570
what compelled me to want to go there I

1443
01:02:43,090 --> 01:02:40,070
had a friend who wanted to go to

1444
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:43,100
Portugal and primarily she was looking

1445
01:02:47,530 --> 01:02:45,050
at the possibility of wanting to live

1446
01:02:49,390 --> 01:02:47,540
there for part of the year I didn't want

1447
01:02:50,620 --> 01:02:49,400
to go by herself and so she needed some

1448
01:02:53,110 --> 01:02:50,630
muscle she says you know come be my

1449
01:02:54,940 --> 01:02:53,120
travelling companion and I said well you

1450
01:02:57,070 --> 01:02:54,950
know here's an idea I'd love to go to

1451
01:02:58,210 --> 01:02:57,080
Portugal and hang out on the mainland

1452
01:02:59,860 --> 01:02:58,220
because you got to keep in mind I mean

1453
01:03:00,970 --> 01:02:59,870
even if you're just a tourist the food

1454
01:03:03,100 --> 01:03:00,980
the culture everything is so wonderful

1455
01:03:05,380 --> 01:03:03,110
if you're an archaeology enthusiast

1456
01:03:07,810 --> 01:03:05,390
right there in Lisbon or lisboa as they

1457
01:03:09,700 --> 01:03:07,820
call it there there are a number of

1458
01:03:12,490 --> 01:03:09,710
wonderful history and archaeology

1459
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:12,500
museums but I posited the idea I said if

1460
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:13,610
we were to plan a trip what would you

1461
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:15,050
think about jumping over to the Azores

1462
01:03:20,350 --> 01:03:17,450
and she said oh that sounds great and so

1463
01:03:22,750 --> 01:03:20,360
we did and I have to say that you know

1464
01:03:24,610 --> 01:03:22,760
in the island chain there are a lot of

1465
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:24,620
different aspects you can't just go to

1466
01:03:29,020 --> 01:03:26,210
one island and see everything and we

1467
01:03:31,510 --> 01:03:29,030
were on the island of Sol Magill in the

1468
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:31,520
general area of ponta delgada

1469
01:03:36,250 --> 01:03:33,170
but we rented a car and so I was driving

1470
01:03:39,370 --> 01:03:36,260
a little a little small European SUV all

1471
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:39,380
over that Island and I'll tell you first

1472
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:41,330
and foremost a lot of people when they

1473
01:03:44,050 --> 01:03:42,530
think about the Azores again we're

1474
01:03:46,290 --> 01:03:44,060
talking about a small island chain which

1475
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:46,300
are located along the mid-atlantic ridge

1476
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:49,010
not right in the middle of the Atlantic

1477
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:51,890
Ocean I mean the the Azorean islands if

1478
01:03:57,250 --> 01:03:54,530
you looked on a map are going to be a

1479
01:04:00,190 --> 01:03:57,260
little bit a third of the way to the

1480
01:04:01,220 --> 01:04:00,200
United States but you know if it's an

1481
01:04:03,410 --> 01:04:01,230
Ekans

1482
01:04:06,610 --> 01:04:03,420
let's just call it the middle of the

1483
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:06,620
Atlantic it's a long way from anything

1484
01:04:10,550 --> 01:04:08,850
what is it's a really long way from

1485
01:04:13,550 --> 01:04:10,560
anything and again just think of this as

1486
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:13,560
being like a like the joints of planet

1487
01:04:19,100 --> 01:04:15,930
Earth I mean there is a mountain chain

1488
01:04:20,450 --> 01:04:19,110
that goes along a curvy and much

1489
01:04:21,830 --> 01:04:20,460
beautiful is again if you look at a map

1490
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:21,840
you can see where the west coast of

1491
01:04:26,390 --> 01:04:24,690
Africa would feet fit neatly in the in

1492
01:04:27,890 --> 01:04:26,400
the little you know cavity that is

1493
01:04:30,230 --> 01:04:27,900
created on the eastern coast between

1494
01:04:31,700 --> 01:04:30,240
North America and South America you know

1495
01:04:33,110 --> 01:04:31,710
beckoning all the way back to the times

1496
01:04:34,940 --> 01:04:33,120
of Pangaea and the idea of a

1497
01:04:36,740 --> 01:04:34,950
supercontinent that our geologists tell

1498
01:04:38,870 --> 01:04:36,750
us about today but out there in the

1499
01:04:41,150 --> 01:04:38,880
middle there is a underwater mountain

1500
01:04:43,130 --> 01:04:41,160
chain the peaks of which its various

1501
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:43,140
locales actually extend above Atlantic

1502
01:04:47,270 --> 01:04:45,570
waters and the most prominent area in

1503
01:04:49,570 --> 01:04:47,280
the actual middle of the Atlantic is the

1504
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:49,580
Azorean island chain as we know it now

1505
01:04:55,610 --> 01:04:52,730
what's really interesting about this is

1506
01:04:57,110 --> 01:04:55,620
from his philosophical standpoint being

1507
01:04:59,270 --> 01:04:57,120
the philosophy lover that I am I mean

1508
01:05:03,380 --> 01:04:59,280
I've read a lot of Plato Jimmy mmm-hmm

1509
01:05:05,540 --> 01:05:03,390
and I take Plato's writings to be

1510
01:05:08,830 --> 01:05:05,550
philosophical discourses right I take

1511
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:08,840
them to be thought exercises shroud but

1512
01:05:13,700 --> 01:05:11,730
it is interesting that he's talking

1513
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:13,710
about you know nine thousand was the sum

1514
01:05:18,740 --> 01:05:17,010
of the years that has passed since the

1515
01:05:19,970 --> 01:05:18,750
war that was waged between Athens and

1516
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:19,980
those who dwelt beyond The Pillars of

1517
01:05:24,260 --> 01:05:22,650
Hercules and it's interesting because if

1518
01:05:25,610 --> 01:05:24,270
you look at the Azores and I'm not

1519
01:05:27,140 --> 01:05:25,620
saying that you know because I know a

1520
01:05:29,090 --> 01:05:27,150
lot of people endorse the idea they say

1521
01:05:30,770 --> 01:05:29,100
Atlantis was out there it existed a lot

1522
01:05:32,750 --> 01:05:30,780
of people elect it's completely nonsense

1523
01:05:36,860 --> 01:05:32,760
you know I I fully understand the

1524
01:05:39,350 --> 01:05:36,870
scholarly perspective of what there's a

1525
01:05:41,690 --> 01:05:39,360
bite here there's a but I can hear it

1526
01:05:42,980 --> 01:05:41,700
yeah it's coming it's coming okay

1527
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:42,990
I fully understand the scholarly

1528
01:05:47,330 --> 01:05:44,730
perspective but the point is is that if

1529
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:47,340
you look at the bathysphere ik data the

1530
01:05:52,250 --> 01:05:49,530
ocean or data and again it's it's simple

1531
01:05:55,310 --> 01:05:52,260
go on google satellite or google earth

1532
01:05:59,120 --> 01:05:55,320
and look it you look up saw miguel

1533
01:06:00,350 --> 01:05:59,130
island Sao st. Miguel but San Miguel

1534
01:06:01,460 --> 01:06:00,360
Island in the Azores it's still

1535
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:01,470
Portuguese territory and hence

1536
01:06:07,370 --> 01:06:04,530
Portuguese language but you'll see that

1537
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:07,380
the island drain of course below the

1538
01:06:12,290 --> 01:06:10,410
Atlantic surface I mean was a larger

1539
01:06:14,809 --> 01:06:12,300
island complex and at the time of the

1540
01:06:16,699 --> 01:06:14,819
end of the last ice age the Pleistocene

1541
01:06:18,799 --> 01:06:16,709
around the time of the Younger Dryas in

1542
01:06:20,539 --> 01:06:18,809
other words when ocean levels were lower

1543
01:06:23,539 --> 01:06:20,549
and there was greater ice accumulation

1544
01:06:25,549 --> 01:06:23,549
at the north and south poles much more

1545
01:06:26,989 --> 01:06:25,559
of the land that is now underwater would

1546
01:06:28,519 --> 01:06:26,999
have been exposed and so there would

1547
01:06:29,479 --> 01:06:28,529
have been rather than a small scattering

1548
01:06:32,089 --> 01:06:29,489
of islands there would have been a

1549
01:06:35,599 --> 01:06:32,099
larger scattering of islands or maybe

1550
01:06:37,099 --> 01:06:35,609
even a larger I don't want to call it a

1551
01:06:39,620 --> 01:06:37,109
continent but it released a larger

1552
01:06:43,939 --> 01:06:39,630
island Network it would have been as big

1553
01:06:46,009 --> 01:06:43,949
as like Spain it very least yes yes and

1554
01:06:47,989 --> 01:06:46,019
you can clearly see the outline

1555
01:06:51,140 --> 01:06:47,999
definition of that I've always gone back

1556
01:06:53,989 --> 01:06:51,150
and look at the Azores and and you can

1557
01:06:57,339 --> 01:06:53,999
see the peaks that are now islands of

1558
01:07:02,509 --> 01:06:57,349
these mountains but there is a

1559
01:07:05,900 --> 01:07:02,519
definition of a landmass there with you

1560
01:07:08,509 --> 01:07:05,910
know a lower sea level that this would

1561
01:07:12,370 --> 01:07:08,519
be not it's not a continent continent

1562
01:07:14,539 --> 01:07:12,380
would be incorrect but a big-ass island

1563
01:07:19,039 --> 01:07:14,549
absolutely absolutely

1564
01:07:21,620 --> 01:07:19,049
at the gates of Hercules it sits right

1565
01:07:23,599 --> 01:07:21,630
there well a little west yeah but now

1566
01:07:25,399 --> 01:07:23,609
here's the thing what interested me

1567
01:07:27,649 --> 01:07:25,409
about all this is I'm really

1568
01:07:29,359 --> 01:07:27,659
acknowledging call it a synchronicity

1569
01:07:31,459 --> 01:07:29,369
but I mean Plato's talking about a

1570
01:07:33,529 --> 01:07:31,469
general time frame and I have to also

1571
01:07:35,949 --> 01:07:33,539
admit to having especially in the

1572
01:07:39,439 --> 01:07:35,959
document Timaeus where he is describing

1573
01:07:41,779 --> 01:07:39,449
the visit made by Solon well in advance

1574
01:07:43,849 --> 01:07:41,789
of Plato's time right the Athenian

1575
01:07:45,949 --> 01:07:43,859
statesman Solon goes to North Africa and

1576
01:07:48,949 --> 01:07:45,959
he's in Egypt and he is you know talking

1577
01:07:50,509 --> 01:07:48,959
with his old priest and he's asked about

1578
01:07:52,459 --> 01:07:50,519
you know their earliest records and he

1579
01:07:54,199 --> 01:07:52,469
is just you know discussing the oldest

1580
01:07:56,329 --> 01:07:54,209
known records and everything in this all

1581
01:07:59,959 --> 01:07:56,339
and this elderly priest named song kiss

1582
01:08:02,329 --> 01:07:59,969
of Cius says oh soul on you and you

1583
01:08:05,179 --> 01:08:02,339
Athenian statesmen you know you you're

1584
01:08:06,890 --> 01:08:05,189
like children in your mind you have no

1585
01:08:08,299 --> 01:08:06,900
concept of antiquity and the great

1586
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:08,309
things that your people the Athenians

1587
01:08:13,159 --> 01:08:10,650
did in the ancient times I mean it's a

1588
01:08:14,359 --> 01:08:13,169
fascinating story you know if you read

1589
01:08:16,069 --> 01:08:14,369
it I mean just take it for what it is

1590
01:08:18,109 --> 01:08:16,079
even if it's just Plato you know giving

1591
01:08:20,030 --> 01:08:18,119
us this story for for again a

1592
01:08:22,189 --> 01:08:20,040
philosophical treatise to you know teach

1593
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:22,199
us a broader truth it's a captivating

1594
01:08:25,789 --> 01:08:23,730
story I can see why it is endured like

1595
01:08:27,319 --> 01:08:25,799
it is but what really got me thinking

1596
01:08:28,579 --> 01:08:27,329
about the Azores actually had to do with

1597
01:08:30,859 --> 01:08:28,589
a conversation with Randall

1598
01:08:32,930 --> 01:08:30,869
Karlsson the seven ages team and I Jason

1599
01:08:36,169 --> 01:08:32,940
and James and I we'd gone down last fall

1600
01:08:38,990 --> 01:08:36,179
to visit Randall at his home near

1601
01:08:40,099 --> 01:08:39,000
Atlanta and we were talking about this

1602
01:08:42,559 --> 01:08:40,109
and he has a lecture that he gives

1603
01:08:44,359 --> 01:08:42,569
probably one of several about Atlantis

1604
01:08:45,620 --> 01:08:44,369
and you know if you if you're hanging

1605
01:08:47,510 --> 01:08:45,630
out with Randall Carlson you know you

1606
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:47,520
you go to dinner and you get back to his

1607
01:08:50,689 --> 01:08:49,290
place at about nine or ten and two

1608
01:08:52,370 --> 01:08:50,699
o'clock in the morning rolls around and

1609
01:08:54,890 --> 01:08:52,380
you're still sitting there and Gandalf

1610
01:08:57,919 --> 01:08:54,900
Carlson right you know he never turns it

1611
01:08:59,180 --> 01:08:57,929
off he keeps going and he is just oh

1612
01:09:01,370 --> 01:08:59,190
it's like a download from the mother

1613
01:09:03,260 --> 01:09:01,380
throne talking with Randall but no doubt

1614
01:09:05,809 --> 01:09:03,270
he was talk he was talking about all of

1615
01:09:08,780 --> 01:09:05,819
the geological information about how

1616
01:09:10,220 --> 01:09:08,790
that island complex we might say would

1617
01:09:12,289 --> 01:09:10,230
have looked during the end of the

1618
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:12,299
Pleistocene and it got me thinking I was

1619
01:09:15,769 --> 01:09:14,489
like well this is really neat he lays

1620
01:09:18,229 --> 01:09:15,779
out a pretty good case that there was a

1621
01:09:19,609 --> 01:09:18,239
larger fairly in a significant portion

1622
01:09:21,379 --> 01:09:19,619
of the land that would have been exposed

1623
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:21,389
at the end of the Pleistocene because

1624
01:09:25,399 --> 01:09:23,130
taking into account a few factors not

1625
01:09:27,649 --> 01:09:25,409
only were sea levels lower but also

1626
01:09:32,390 --> 01:09:27,659
there's what's referred to as isostatic

1627
01:09:34,609 --> 01:09:32,400
rebound okay and this is when ice melts

1628
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:34,619
if you got an ice sheet like those that

1629
01:09:39,530 --> 01:09:36,810
accumulated around the poles during the

1630
01:09:41,930 --> 01:09:39,540
last ice age during the Pleistocene it

1631
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:41,940
causes a superficial uplift on portions

1632
01:09:45,910 --> 01:09:43,650
of the land adjacent to where the ice

1633
01:09:49,010 --> 01:09:45,920
and the pressure exerted by that ice

1634
01:09:52,789 --> 01:09:49,020
rest okay and so as that ice melts and

1635
01:09:54,770 --> 01:09:52,799
those ice caps begin to recede the earth

1636
01:09:57,620 --> 01:09:54,780
actually flattens back out and this is

1637
01:09:59,330 --> 01:09:57,630
the isostatic rebound well the opposite

1638
01:10:00,500 --> 01:09:59,340
effect at the height of the ice age

1639
01:10:02,839 --> 01:10:00,510
would have been that with the greatest

1640
01:10:04,370 --> 01:10:02,849
accumulation of ice on the poles it

1641
01:10:05,930 --> 01:10:04,380
actually exerts pressure on the earth

1642
01:10:07,459 --> 01:10:05,940
which would have caused that superficial

1643
01:10:09,109 --> 01:10:07,469
uplift and likely would have caused

1644
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:09,119
pressures around the mid-atlantic ridge

1645
01:10:14,839 --> 01:10:11,449
that would have even caused a greater

1646
01:10:16,070 --> 01:10:14,849
thrust upward of that landmass if one

1647
01:10:17,419 --> 01:10:16,080
existed at that time which of course

1648
01:10:20,629 --> 01:10:17,429
those islands are still there today

1649
01:10:22,459 --> 01:10:20,639
obviously one did geologically speaking

1650
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:22,469
that was fascinating to me but it got me

1651
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:25,290
thinking well is there archaeological

1652
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:27,449
evidence as anybody bothered to look

1653
01:10:32,629 --> 01:10:29,130
what's happening down there in the

1654
01:10:34,070 --> 01:10:32,639
Azores so I was in contact with a albeit

1655
01:10:35,419 --> 01:10:34,080
briefly we weren't able to arrange to

1656
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:35,429
meet while I was there because he was on

1657
01:10:38,419 --> 01:10:37,290
one of the adjacent islands and this

1658
01:10:40,370 --> 01:10:38,429
time of year the ferries aren't running

1659
01:10:42,410 --> 01:10:40,380
so I've got to go back but I was in

1660
01:10:44,540 --> 01:10:42,420
touch with that Felix Rodriguez who

1661
01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:44,550
a scientist with the University of the

1662
01:10:48,740 --> 01:10:46,050
Azores who has found a number of

1663
01:10:50,419 --> 01:10:48,750
petroglyphs stone carvings and also

1664
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:50,429
amphora which are these sort of

1665
01:10:54,229 --> 01:10:53,010
underground compartments or cave like

1666
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:54,239
some of them are actually above-ground

1667
01:10:58,760 --> 01:10:55,530
or partially above-ground but they're

1668
01:11:02,270 --> 01:10:58,770
built of stone which resemble Roman m4

1669
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:02,280
ax or m4 eye and he believes that de

1670
01:11:07,010 --> 01:11:04,530
petroglyph carvings in the same area on

1671
01:11:09,110 --> 01:11:07,020
terrace area island may date back to the

1672
01:11:10,370 --> 01:11:09,120
Bronze Age and so he and I were

1673
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:10,380
corresponding while I'm down there in

1674
01:11:12,650 --> 01:11:11,489
the Azores and he says you know you got

1675
01:11:14,090 --> 01:11:12,660
to come back down here let me know when

1676
01:11:15,500 --> 01:11:14,100
when there's a convenient time for you

1677
01:11:16,970 --> 01:11:15,510
anytime I'll take you out there and show

1678
01:11:18,860 --> 01:11:16,980
you these and he's not the only

1679
01:11:20,900 --> 01:11:18,870
archaeologist who is following this line

1680
01:11:22,820 --> 01:11:20,910
of thought I believe Nuno Ribeiro is

1681
01:11:25,820 --> 01:11:22,830
another who may be on the Portuguese

1682
01:11:27,470 --> 01:11:25,830
mainland but he has also published a few

1683
01:11:29,570 --> 01:11:27,480
papers about what he believes is

1684
01:11:32,150 --> 01:11:29,580
evidence of Roman presence on those

1685
01:11:34,310 --> 01:11:32,160
islands but the most compelling story

1686
01:11:36,350 --> 01:11:34,320
Jimmy is the one about and there's a

1687
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:36,360
report that actually was published I

1688
01:11:41,660 --> 01:11:38,130
think all the way back in gosh it was

1689
01:11:44,330 --> 01:11:41,670
probably yeah 1778 there was this report

1690
01:11:45,979 --> 01:11:44,340
that was published and I think actually

1691
01:11:48,830 --> 01:11:45,989
the Royal Society of Sciences and

1692
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:48,840
letters in Gutenberg Johan Franz botolan

1693
01:11:52,870 --> 01:11:50,610
was the Portuguese born Swede who

1694
01:11:56,360 --> 01:11:52,880
published this he gives this account of

1695
01:11:59,090 --> 01:11:56,370
a pot and being the nerd that I am I

1696
01:12:00,530 --> 01:11:59,100
actually found a facility of the account

1697
01:12:01,790 --> 01:12:00,540
and actually conducted my own

1698
01:12:03,650 --> 01:12:01,800
translation with the help of google

1699
01:12:05,660 --> 01:12:03,660
software but the account that's given in

1700
01:12:07,100 --> 01:12:05,670
this is the only known report but it

1701
01:12:10,160 --> 01:12:07,110
describes a great storm that comes along

1702
01:12:11,780 --> 01:12:10,170
and washes out a beach adjacent to an

1703
01:12:15,110 --> 01:12:11,790
old building on the island of Corvo

1704
01:12:17,270 --> 01:12:15,120
which is the most northwesterly oriented

1705
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:17,280
island in the island chain in the Azores

1706
01:12:23,450 --> 01:12:21,210
and this little black cattle a little

1707
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:23,460
pot was found full of Carthaginian coins

1708
01:12:29,660 --> 01:12:27,050
that dated back to around 200 BC and

1709
01:12:31,700 --> 01:12:29,670
there are even drawings in the account

1710
01:12:34,370 --> 01:12:31,710
given by poedel in but these you know

1711
01:12:36,740 --> 01:12:34,380
coins it's it's been a very contentious

1712
01:12:38,689 --> 01:12:36,750
story because of course people are like

1713
01:12:41,870 --> 01:12:38,699
well if there were Carthaginian coins on

1714
01:12:44,959 --> 01:12:41,880
Corvo then presumably somebody sailed up

1715
01:12:46,939 --> 01:12:44,969
there and these dated back to 200 BC so

1716
01:12:49,250 --> 01:12:46,949
I mean they at least you know were

1717
01:12:51,830 --> 01:12:49,260
sometime after that but probably did

1718
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:51,840
date back to earlier times than the

1719
01:12:55,369 --> 01:12:53,730
official discovery by Portuguese

1720
01:12:58,399 --> 01:12:55,379
navigators

1721
01:12:59,569 --> 01:12:58,409
of the azores now skeptics have looked

1722
01:13:02,419 --> 01:12:59,579
at it and said well you know but there's

1723
01:13:04,099 --> 01:13:02,429
also a town called Corvo on the mainland

1724
01:13:05,540 --> 01:13:04,109
i believe in north africa and they said

1725
01:13:06,770 --> 01:13:05,550
maybe the plot was actually found there

1726
01:13:08,869 --> 01:13:06,780
wasn't actually found out there on the

1727
01:13:12,379 --> 01:13:08,879
island there's more to the legend though

1728
01:13:14,869 --> 01:13:12,389
to the legend also tells of a and many

1729
01:13:19,310 --> 01:13:14,879
old maps and portal ons actually depict

1730
01:13:22,899 --> 01:13:19,320
this a statue within the vicinity of the

1731
01:13:25,969 --> 01:13:22,909
island of Corvo the statue they said was

1732
01:13:27,709 --> 01:13:25,979
reminiscent of you know the the dress

1733
01:13:29,929 --> 01:13:27,719
and demeanor of the Moors you know of a

1734
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:29,939
Moorish individual these would have been

1735
01:13:37,699 --> 01:13:33,530
European Islamic Europeans at the time

1736
01:13:40,250 --> 01:13:37,709
and they said that the statue depicted a

1737
01:13:41,089 --> 01:13:40,260
man pointing off to the west and that

1738
01:13:43,459 --> 01:13:41,099
that would have been out there on that

1739
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:43,469
island also and that maps and Portland's

1740
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:45,570
also indicated this now they believe

1741
01:13:50,689 --> 01:13:47,010
that that could have been a reference to

1742
01:13:51,919 --> 01:13:50,699
a stone you know actual rock outcrop on

1743
01:13:55,250 --> 01:13:51,929
the island of Corfu that might have

1744
01:13:57,109 --> 01:13:55,260
represented or resembled a person or a

1745
01:13:59,719 --> 01:13:57,119
you know sort of anthropomorphic shape

1746
01:14:01,339 --> 01:13:59,729
but it's fascinating to me because the

1747
01:14:02,810 --> 01:14:01,349
combination of all these stories the

1748
01:14:05,089 --> 01:14:02,820
idea of a statue out there on this

1749
01:14:07,909 --> 01:14:05,099
island pointing off to the west a pot of

1750
01:14:09,619 --> 01:14:07,919
coins from 200 BC and then the modern

1751
01:14:11,599 --> 01:14:09,629
archaeological discoveries if only one

1752
01:14:13,699 --> 01:14:11,609
of those things existed in this broader

1753
01:14:16,129 --> 01:14:13,709
narrative right I might say okay maybe

1754
01:14:18,199 --> 01:14:16,139
not but there seems to be mounting

1755
01:14:20,089 --> 01:14:18,209
evidence that is suggestive and then

1756
01:14:21,799 --> 01:14:20,099
let's step over into known history also

1757
01:14:24,979 --> 01:14:21,809
because a deep reading of the history

1758
01:14:26,719 --> 01:14:24,989
actually indicates Portuguese royalty

1759
01:14:28,129 --> 01:14:26,729
instructing these navigators not to hey

1760
01:14:30,979 --> 01:14:28,139
go out there see what you guys can find

1761
01:14:33,859 --> 01:14:30,989
but the terminology actually is go and

1762
01:14:35,419 --> 01:14:33,869
find the islands and we think about all

1763
01:14:36,799 --> 01:14:35,429
the existing narratives not just

1764
01:14:38,089 --> 01:14:36,809
Atlantis but we've got the legends of

1765
01:14:40,159 --> 01:14:38,099
the fortunate Isles you know Saint

1766
01:14:42,679 --> 01:14:40,169
Brennan's Isle you know we have the

1767
01:14:44,599 --> 01:14:42,689
traditions among Mesoamerica of aughts

1768
01:14:46,849 --> 01:14:44,609
LAN this island home that they sailed

1769
01:14:49,399 --> 01:14:46,859
from so many of these ancient cultures

1770
01:14:51,379 --> 01:14:49,409
have this tradition of an island out

1771
01:14:53,989 --> 01:14:51,389
there in the middle of the Atlantic it

1772
01:14:55,459 --> 01:14:53,999
seems very likely to me whatever we want

1773
01:14:57,109 --> 01:14:55,469
to make of that and however much we want

1774
01:15:00,259 --> 01:14:57,119
to actually apply that to legends like

1775
01:15:01,729 --> 01:15:00,269
Atlantis that the Portuguese did know

1776
01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:01,739
that there was an island chain out there

1777
01:15:05,899 --> 01:15:04,050
that probably had served as the impetus

1778
01:15:07,819 --> 01:15:05,909
for the discovery the official discovery

1779
01:15:08,990 --> 01:15:07,829
of the Azores but my guess is like

1780
01:15:10,490 --> 01:15:09,000
you've eluded the

1781
01:15:13,220 --> 01:15:10,500
the archaeological evidences gotta point

1782
01:15:15,530 --> 01:15:13,230
to a much earlier very least discovery

1783
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:15,540
possibly even temporary habitation there

1784
01:15:25,130 --> 01:15:21,090
did you go to any of the I saw two caves

1785
01:15:28,370 --> 01:15:25,140
I've heard reports of more did you go to

1786
01:15:32,180 --> 01:15:28,380
the to the two caves that were

1787
01:15:36,950 --> 01:15:32,190
apparently they're man-made they're

1788
01:15:40,690 --> 01:15:36,960
constructed of of cut stone the the

1789
01:15:43,310 --> 01:15:40,700
caves themselves haven't been fully

1790
01:15:46,430 --> 01:15:43,320
investigated this is up to about a year

1791
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:46,440
ago when this documentary was made but

1792
01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:48,810
did you go to these these two caves and

1793
01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:51,210
and if you did what did you see I didn't

1794
01:15:54,680 --> 01:15:52,530
go to those caves those are believed

1795
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:54,690
however are on Terrace area island and

1796
01:15:58,700 --> 01:15:55,850
those would be the ones that are

1797
01:16:00,170 --> 01:15:58,710
correspondent with the scientists from

1798
01:16:03,110 --> 01:16:00,180
the University the Azores Felix

1799
01:16:04,700 --> 01:16:03,120
Rodriguez yes yes yes yeah these are

1800
01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:04,710
fascinating unfortunately you know again

1801
01:16:07,310 --> 01:16:05,970
I was looking at every option I was

1802
01:16:08,870 --> 01:16:07,320
hoping to be able to catch a boat this

1803
01:16:10,730 --> 01:16:08,880
time of the year they don't have ferries

1804
01:16:12,380 --> 01:16:10,740
running I would had to have flown in

1805
01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:12,390
order to get there and with my schedule

1806
01:16:16,250 --> 01:16:13,890
I just wasn't able to do it so I was

1807
01:16:17,750 --> 01:16:16,260
corresponding with dr. Rodriguez about

1808
01:16:18,980 --> 01:16:17,760
this and of course he's like you know if

1809
01:16:20,030 --> 01:16:18,990
you can make it down here come on I'm

1810
01:16:22,220 --> 01:16:20,040
gonna take you out there and show you

1811
01:16:24,860 --> 01:16:22,230
this stuff so my current plan is to go

1812
01:16:26,270 --> 01:16:24,870
back to the Azores and hopefully visit

1813
01:16:28,010 --> 01:16:26,280
all of the islands because there are

1814
01:16:30,230 --> 01:16:28,020
unique things that each of them now on

1815
01:16:32,540 --> 01:16:30,240
sol Miguel where I was staying there's

1816
01:16:34,340 --> 01:16:32,550
this very unique area which is called se

1817
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:34,350
Tzu dodge and the Portuguese language

1818
01:16:39,260 --> 01:16:37,050
which means the Seven Cities it's

1819
01:16:41,150 --> 01:16:39,270
actually the caldera okay it's the

1820
01:16:44,810 --> 01:16:41,160
remnant of a collapsed volcano these are

1821
01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:44,820
all volcanic islands and so my hosts at

1822
01:16:48,020 --> 01:16:46,530
the at the bed-and-breakfast where I'm

1823
01:16:50,630 --> 01:16:48,030
staying or telling me all about this and

1824
01:16:53,770 --> 01:16:50,640
that there are these unique very ancient

1825
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:53,780
archways up there that look like Roman

1826
01:16:58,040 --> 01:16:55,530
architecture I don't think that they

1827
01:17:00,740 --> 01:16:58,050
actually are if there were indeed

1828
01:17:02,750 --> 01:17:00,750
anything so obvious as Roman

1829
01:17:04,490 --> 01:17:02,760
architecture on the islands that could

1830
01:17:05,990 --> 01:17:04,500
be studied and discerned as as you know

1831
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:06,000
and the provenance could be established

1832
01:17:09,260 --> 01:17:07,530
that they were indeed that old it would

1833
01:17:12,140 --> 01:17:09,270
be a pretty you know clean-cut deal I

1834
01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:12,150
think these are probably early 19th

1835
01:17:16,340 --> 01:17:14,250
century late 18th century structures I

1836
01:17:18,980 --> 01:17:16,350
would imagine but it was funny because

1837
01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:18,990
that's what drew me to the area but I go

1838
01:17:22,339 --> 01:17:20,970
up to say to see Dodge and I drive up

1839
01:17:24,260 --> 01:17:22,349
into the

1840
01:17:26,089 --> 01:17:24,270
this sounds dangerous it's not an active

1841
01:17:28,129 --> 01:17:26,099
volcano fortunately so I Drive up into

1842
01:17:29,870 --> 01:17:28,139
the the former volcano their caldera and

1843
01:17:31,700 --> 01:17:29,880
I'm driving down and there are these two

1844
01:17:33,410 --> 01:17:31,710
beautiful lakes down there and I'm

1845
01:17:34,729 --> 01:17:33,420
losing daylight because I just heard

1846
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:34,739
about this and the sun's about to set

1847
01:17:38,689 --> 01:17:36,690
I've only got about an hour and there's

1848
01:17:40,339 --> 01:17:38,699
the laguna azul and the laguna verde

1849
01:17:42,950 --> 01:17:40,349
which are of course the blue lake in the

1850
01:17:45,649 --> 01:17:42,960
green light lake the green lake has the

1851
01:17:47,180 --> 01:17:45,659
name entails has an algebra minute that

1852
01:17:49,069 --> 01:17:47,190
causes it to have a greenish appearance

1853
01:17:50,530 --> 01:17:49,079
and then the blue like immediately

1854
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:50,540
adjacent to it doesn't have the same

1855
01:17:54,709 --> 01:17:53,010
issue and so it's a blue lake and they

1856
01:17:56,959 --> 01:17:54,719
have starkly different colors especially

1857
01:17:59,419 --> 01:17:56,969
in warmer weather so it's quite striking

1858
01:18:01,310 --> 01:17:59,429
in itself but i go up there and i'm

1859
01:18:02,899 --> 01:18:01,320
taking in the landscape and I come back

1860
01:18:05,450 --> 01:18:02,909
and I speak to Duarte the gentleman who

1861
01:18:07,310 --> 01:18:05,460
runs the B&B the that I'm staying at and

1862
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:07,320
he says you know what's interesting is

1863
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:09,210
that there were core samples that were

1864
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:11,610
taken from one of those two lakes up

1865
01:18:16,069 --> 01:18:14,010
there in the state to see Dodge and he

1866
01:18:18,410 --> 01:18:16,079
says that the cores they drill down and

1867
01:18:21,050 --> 01:18:18,420
they actually extract sedimentary layers

1868
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:21,060
from the soil deep beneath that that

1869
01:18:26,209 --> 01:18:23,610
lake system and he says what they found

1870
01:18:28,430 --> 01:18:26,219
was what appeared to be seeds that had

1871
01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:28,440
been cultivated in other words what

1872
01:18:31,609 --> 01:18:29,730
appeared to be evidence of pre

1873
01:18:34,370 --> 01:18:31,619
agriculture or early agriculture that

1874
01:18:36,620 --> 01:18:34,380
was conducted in that area at some time

1875
01:18:38,540 --> 01:18:36,630
but in the sediment sediment illogical

1876
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:38,550
region in which they were found in other

1877
01:18:43,609 --> 01:18:40,650
words the layer of the soil extracted

1878
01:18:46,310 --> 01:18:43,619
this would have been really really old I

1879
01:18:48,319 --> 01:18:46,320
asked him I said okay who can I talk to

1880
01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:48,329
about this and yet again he says this

1881
01:18:52,729 --> 01:18:50,130
doesn't cuz you won't find anything

1882
01:18:54,109 --> 01:18:52,739
online about this Jimmy but he says

1883
01:18:55,339 --> 01:18:54,119
there are researchers right now at the

1884
01:18:56,870 --> 01:18:55,349
University of the Azores who are

1885
01:18:58,550 --> 01:18:56,880
conducting studies trying to determine

1886
01:19:01,189 --> 01:18:58,560
and indeed if there were human

1887
01:19:03,709 --> 01:19:01,199
settlements or habitation in much

1888
01:19:05,689 --> 01:19:03,719
earlier times at that location so yet

1889
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:05,699
again there seems to be some very

1890
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:07,050
compelling evidence I mean we'd have to

1891
01:19:10,580 --> 01:19:08,489
figure out a lot more and I realize

1892
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:10,590
there's going to be an aversion it mean

1893
01:19:13,100 --> 01:19:11,610
you're gonna have because what does this

1894
01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:13,110
require it requires rewriting the

1895
01:19:17,030 --> 01:19:15,449
history books but to me it's not all

1896
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:17,040
that strange that people were getting

1897
01:19:21,169 --> 01:19:19,050
around and that maybe you know a couple

1898
01:19:23,270 --> 01:19:21,179
of thousand years ago you know that

1899
01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:23,280
navigation was sophisticated enough that

1900
01:19:26,209 --> 01:19:24,449
people look at the Antikythera mechanism

1901
01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:26,219
I'm sure these people were far more

1902
01:19:29,870 --> 01:19:28,170
capable of navigating and sailing and

1903
01:19:32,030 --> 01:19:29,880
discovering islands like the Azores than

1904
01:19:34,040 --> 01:19:32,040
we would give them credit for that's

1905
01:19:36,379 --> 01:19:34,050
surprising to me yeah and what was

1906
01:19:42,140 --> 01:19:36,389
very interesting in this documentary

1907
01:19:45,350 --> 01:19:42,150
that I I got lucky in finding it but the

1908
01:19:46,669 --> 01:19:45,360
film crew that it's with Felix right and

1909
01:19:49,370 --> 01:19:46,679
they're going through the cave system

1910
01:19:53,959 --> 01:19:49,380
and it's pretty it's pretty cool-looking

1911
01:19:56,270 --> 01:19:53,969
right yeah it really anyway the so the

1912
01:19:58,160 --> 01:19:56,280
director turns to Felix and he goes this

1913
01:20:01,939 --> 01:19:58,170
is incredible who knows about this and

1914
01:20:03,950 --> 01:20:01,949
Felix goes me me baby goes he goes yeah

1915
01:20:05,750 --> 01:20:03,960
but but but you know what about the

1916
01:20:08,479 --> 01:20:05,760
events what about the archaeologic would

1917
01:20:11,629 --> 01:20:08,489
nobody knows man it's just me it's just

1918
01:20:14,270 --> 01:20:11,639
me I'm showing you for the first time I

1919
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:14,280
need to try to get the funding we have a

1920
01:20:19,899 --> 01:20:16,530
small university here we have no money

1921
01:20:23,240 --> 01:20:19,909
and I'm out here doing this on my feet I

1922
01:20:25,339 --> 01:20:23,250
have to walk here and go and find these

1923
01:20:28,700 --> 01:20:25,349
things nobody knows except for myself

1924
01:20:31,669 --> 01:20:28,710
and I was astounded Mike I was I was

1925
01:20:34,339 --> 01:20:31,679
blown away and would this rewrite

1926
01:20:37,060 --> 01:20:34,349
history absolutely but I would think

1927
01:20:39,740 --> 01:20:37,070
that there would be a majorly funded

1928
01:20:42,620 --> 01:20:39,750
University but in the UK or Spain or

1929
01:20:45,919 --> 01:20:42,630
Portugal or the United States that would

1930
01:20:48,919 --> 01:20:45,929
would go out there and check this out

1931
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:48,929
because it's very interesting let's very

1932
01:20:52,040 --> 01:20:50,730
briefly just touch on gobekli tepe in

1933
01:20:54,290 --> 01:20:52,050
relation to this because there's a great

1934
01:20:55,879 --> 01:20:54,300
corollary here but back in the 1990s

1935
01:20:57,319 --> 01:20:55,889
when the first sight there weren't

1936
01:20:58,939 --> 01:20:57,329
excavations at all they were just site

1937
01:21:00,680 --> 01:20:58,949
surveys that we're done at gobekli tepe

1938
01:21:02,209 --> 01:21:00,690
I believe they were archaeologists with

1939
01:21:03,620 --> 01:21:02,219
the University of Chicago they go out

1940
01:21:05,870 --> 01:21:03,630
there they find some you know Flint

1941
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:05,880
chips and things evidence of human stone

1942
01:21:09,169 --> 01:21:07,530
working up there and they don't think

1943
01:21:10,910 --> 01:21:09,179
there's much to it they're like ok well

1944
01:21:12,379 --> 01:21:10,920
that's that we've we've surveyed this

1945
01:21:14,419 --> 01:21:12,389
site and you know here's our site report

1946
01:21:16,010 --> 01:21:14,429
and there it is it wasn't until decades

1947
01:21:17,660 --> 01:21:16,020
later when Klaus Schmidt goes up there

1948
01:21:19,189 --> 01:21:17,670
and he's like you know the locals

1949
01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:19,199
described this almost mystic

1950
01:21:22,760 --> 01:21:20,730
significance to this weird-looking

1951
01:21:23,390 --> 01:21:22,770
little hill let's let's excavate and see

1952
01:21:25,669 --> 01:21:23,400
what happens

1953
01:21:27,830 --> 01:21:25,679
turns out it's an artificial hill and

1954
01:21:30,129 --> 01:21:27,840
not only an artificial hill but it is a

1955
01:21:32,209 --> 01:21:30,139
ceremonial site that bespeaks

1956
01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:32,219
sophistication you know in the high

1957
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:35,010
relief sculpture and in the stonework I

1958
01:21:38,510 --> 01:21:37,050
mean it's pre pottery its pre

1959
01:21:40,310 --> 01:21:38,520
agriculture but maybe it's more

1960
01:21:42,890 --> 01:21:40,320
sophisticated than Stonehenge that's

1961
01:21:44,870 --> 01:21:42,900
right that's right and and I've got to

1962
01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:44,880
take a break here in 15 seconds what's

1963
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:46,410
even more

1964
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:49,890
fascinating before Klaus Schmidt or how

1965
01:21:57,500 --> 01:21:52,890
he got into the picture the farmer that

1966
01:22:00,620 --> 01:21:57,510
owned the hill was had his you know he's

1967
01:22:03,290 --> 01:22:00,630
up there trying to to farm the land and

1968
01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:03,300
he keeps hitting this rock high keeps

1969
01:22:07,580 --> 01:22:04,770
hitting this rock and he's and so he

1970
01:22:09,290 --> 01:22:07,590
tries to dig it out and he can he's

1971
01:22:12,230 --> 01:22:09,300
going deeper and deeper then he sees the

1972
01:22:15,230 --> 01:22:12,240
inscriptions on the side and he almost

1973
01:22:18,280 --> 01:22:15,240
if he hadn't have been frustrating and

1974
01:22:21,020 --> 01:22:18,290
plowing his fields frustrated with that

1975
01:22:24,110 --> 01:22:21,030
gobekli tepe might have never been fully

1976
01:22:26,480 --> 01:22:24,120
discovered he you know he called the

1977
01:22:28,250 --> 01:22:26,490
University there in Istanbul and said

1978
01:22:29,810 --> 01:22:28,260
hey you guys got to come out here and

1979
01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:29,820
check out this rock because there's

1980
01:22:35,570 --> 01:22:33,090
writing on it and that's that without

1981
01:22:37,550 --> 01:22:35,580
any of that what what if he would have

1982
01:22:39,230 --> 01:22:37,560
blown it up with dynamite and you know

1983
01:22:41,330 --> 01:22:39,240
what I mean and just got rid of it so he

1984
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:41,340
could plow his field right

1985
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:42,930
yeah but the scientists had been there

1986
01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:44,250
and they were like okay well nothing to

1987
01:22:48,260 --> 01:22:45,930
see here move along the guy with the

1988
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:48,270
plow is the one that makes the discovery

1989
01:22:53,450 --> 01:22:50,130
that's right let's take a break right

1990
01:22:57,320 --> 01:22:53,460
here excuse me Koff button our guest

1991
01:23:00,200 --> 01:22:57,330
tonight Micah Hanks oh man great

1992
01:23:01,880 --> 01:23:00,210
conversation Micah we will continue with

1993
01:23:03,350 --> 01:23:01,890
all of it right after this short break

1994
01:23:05,900 --> 01:23:03,360
this is fade to black I'm Niels Jimmy

1995
01:23:19,820 --> 01:23:05,910
Church stay with us we'll be right back

1996
01:23:21,930 --> 01:23:19,830
[Music]

1997
01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:21,940
welcome back fade to black her meal

1998
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:24,090
Sumatera I guess tonight George Noory

1999
01:23:36,540 --> 01:23:32,410
George Noory joins us and George 13

2000
01:23:40,860 --> 01:23:36,550
years of doing your own thing

2001
01:23:43,380 --> 01:23:40,870
over a toast 17 years total and now

2002
01:23:46,470 --> 01:23:43,390
you're on fade to black and and our

2003
01:23:50,430 --> 01:23:46,480
numbers are bigger than coast-to-coast

2004
01:23:51,450 --> 01:23:50,440
am how does that make you feel oh do we

2005
01:23:53,700 --> 01:23:51,460
really have to go through this again

2006
01:23:55,290 --> 01:23:53,710
Jimmy we've been over it so many times

2007
01:23:56,100 --> 01:23:55,300
you'll never be as big as me you know

2008
01:23:58,800 --> 01:23:56,110
that don't you

2009
01:24:01,410 --> 01:23:58,810
ah well you keep telling me that you've

2010
01:24:03,440 --> 01:24:01,420
done four thousand shells and that I'm

2011
01:24:06,330 --> 01:24:03,450
just the young kid on the block but

2012
01:24:08,160 --> 01:24:06,340
we're coming after you man it's

2013
01:24:12,990 --> 01:24:08,170
poppycock you're gonna stay a weekend

2014
01:24:16,440 --> 01:24:13,000
host Jimmy sorry oh man mica the first

2015
01:24:20,100 --> 01:24:16,450
time I heard you do George was one that

2016
01:24:22,140 --> 01:24:20,110
I hadn't laughed that hard and and he

2017
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:22,150
kept it going and then I went and I

2018
01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:25,410
listened to some of your recordings and

2019
01:24:31,590 --> 01:24:29,650
has George ever heard any of it oh yeah

2020
01:24:34,830 --> 01:24:31,600
you know it's it's I'm not as good at it

2021
01:24:37,290 --> 01:24:34,840
as I used to be but the truth is you

2022
01:24:40,590 --> 01:24:37,300
know when you're when we all worked in

2023
01:24:42,810 --> 01:24:40,600
radio and I was a voice talent I was you

2024
01:24:44,250 --> 01:24:42,820
know in the creative services department

2025
01:24:46,650 --> 01:24:44,260
we had an award-winning Department John

2026
01:24:49,830 --> 01:24:46,660
Anderson known around these parts as the

2027
01:24:54,210 --> 01:24:49,840
voice of the mountains had produced a ad

2028
01:24:57,060 --> 01:24:54,220
campaign for a local burrito spot urban

2029
01:24:59,630 --> 01:24:57,070
burrito that literally won a national

2030
01:25:01,560 --> 01:24:59,640
award at Clear Channel corporate

2031
01:25:03,480 --> 01:25:01,570
advertising campaign of the year and so

2032
01:25:06,090 --> 01:25:03,490
I studied under him he was my Jedi

2033
01:25:08,580 --> 01:25:06,100
Master John and of course we were a

2034
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:08,590
coast-to-coast affiliate station and so

2035
01:25:13,110 --> 01:25:11,050
we we all you know heard coast-to-coast

2036
01:25:14,370 --> 01:25:13,120
and everything and know that iconic

2037
01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:14,380
opening you know from the Gateway to

2038
01:25:17,130 --> 01:25:15,730
otherwise good morning good afternoon or

2039
01:25:19,230 --> 01:25:17,140
good evening wherever you may be I'm

2040
01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:19,240
George Noory this is coast to coast am

2041
01:25:23,210 --> 01:25:21,250
and you know when you're working radio

2042
01:25:26,010 --> 01:25:23,220
again I used to be even better at it but

2043
01:25:28,050 --> 01:25:26,020
that was something you had to be able to

2044
01:25:30,390 --> 01:25:28,060
do there weren't enough voices

2045
01:25:31,860 --> 01:25:30,400
in our little Clear Channel cluster and

2046
01:25:34,230 --> 01:25:31,870
so when we had to be able to voice these

2047
01:25:36,270 --> 01:25:34,240
spots or we did a creative spot that was

2048
01:25:38,340 --> 01:25:36,280
our big you know claim to fame we would

2049
01:25:41,250 --> 01:25:38,350
try to do creative services not just

2050
01:25:43,470 --> 01:25:41,260
this weekend at blank you know fill in

2051
01:25:45,690 --> 01:25:43,480
the right o dealership or whatever we

2052
01:25:47,550 --> 01:25:45,700
tried to tell a story with an ad that

2053
01:25:49,860 --> 01:25:47,560
took thee and again there's a great book

2054
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:49,870
by Roy Williams the advertiser not the

2055
01:25:55,050 --> 01:25:53,050
coach called The Wizard of ads and it's

2056
01:25:57,360 --> 01:25:55,060
all about this the whole idea is take

2057
01:25:59,610 --> 01:25:57,370
the listeners mind away from whatever

2058
01:26:04,050 --> 01:25:59,620
they're doing and put them in a story

2059
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:04,060
and then sell them a watch right and you

2060
01:26:08,790 --> 01:26:06,610
know that's an interesting a very

2061
01:26:11,610 --> 01:26:08,800
interesting discipline you know

2062
01:26:13,260 --> 01:26:11,620
advertising to study because it teaches

2063
01:26:14,490 --> 01:26:13,270
you so much about human psychology and

2064
01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:14,500
all these different things but you know

2065
01:26:17,910 --> 01:26:16,210
for me as a kid working in radio I just

2066
01:26:19,380 --> 01:26:17,920
thought hey this is cool and I love

2067
01:26:21,420 --> 01:26:19,390
being able to work behind a microphone

2068
01:26:23,850 --> 01:26:21,430
you had to learn how to do voices though

2069
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:23,860
man I mean that was just requisite so we

2070
01:26:27,330 --> 01:26:25,570
were all doing voices and stuff it was

2071
01:26:29,250 --> 01:26:27,340
you know it was it was a lot of cutting

2072
01:26:31,500 --> 01:26:29,260
up and a lot of having fun back in those

2073
01:26:35,970 --> 01:26:31,510
days at the old radio ranch news radio 5

2074
01:26:38,790 --> 01:26:35,980
70 WWN see the talk of the mountains but

2075
01:26:41,730 --> 01:26:38,800
you know see I've only I've always

2076
01:26:44,420 --> 01:26:41,740
looked up to people that could do great

2077
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:44,430
impersonations and would be able to

2078
01:26:50,340 --> 01:26:48,010
change their vocal cords because that's

2079
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:50,350
what you're doing I can't do that I've

2080
01:26:57,380 --> 01:26:54,010
got one voice that's it there there's

2081
01:26:59,580 --> 01:26:57,390
nothing else to bet I am so

2082
01:27:02,250 --> 01:26:59,590
one-dimensional and I just always had

2083
01:27:03,900 --> 01:27:02,260
great respect it rich little and all of

2084
01:27:05,310 --> 01:27:03,910
those cats you know that we're so good

2085
01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:05,320
at it

2086
01:27:11,730 --> 01:27:07,770
okay I want to get back to gobekli tepe

2087
01:27:13,260 --> 01:27:11,740
George we go back let's happy now listen

2088
01:27:15,360 --> 01:27:13,270
I'll tell you if you got one good voice

2089
01:27:16,980 --> 01:27:15,370
and you can do one good voice that means

2090
01:27:19,200 --> 01:27:16,990
you're you that's you'd be a good

2091
01:27:22,910 --> 01:27:19,210
politician Jimmy in fact if you decide

2092
01:27:26,280 --> 01:27:24,900
really help you as long as we don't

2093
01:27:30,450 --> 01:27:26,290
bring up Epstein it'll probably be

2094
01:27:33,090 --> 01:27:30,460
alright see I can't do that I just have

2095
01:27:36,030 --> 01:27:33,100
I have such respect for that I wish

2096
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:36,040
somebody out there some celebrity had my

2097
01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:38,410
voice because then I could imitate that

2098
01:27:45,140 --> 01:27:40,770
but don't actually take

2099
01:27:50,270 --> 01:27:45,150
do it going back to gobekli tepe

2100
01:27:52,460 --> 01:27:50,280
how many gobekli tepe is out there that

2101
01:27:54,860 --> 01:27:52,470
are yet to be discovered under the sands

2102
01:27:58,670 --> 01:27:54,870
of the deserts or under the oceans

2103
01:27:59,990 --> 01:27:58,680
buried in dirt I mean Gobekli Tepe was

2104
01:28:03,320 --> 01:28:00,000
deliberately buried

2105
01:28:08,720 --> 01:28:03,330
how many more out there are to be

2106
01:28:11,150 --> 01:28:08,730
discovered well probably quite a few you

2107
01:28:13,660 --> 01:28:11,160
know in fact the the discovery of

2108
01:28:16,160 --> 01:28:13,670
Gobekli Tepe is not a standalone

2109
01:28:19,610 --> 01:28:16,170
discovery there is what's called a let's

2110
01:28:21,860 --> 01:28:19,620
see bonk ooh clue Tarla very close to

2111
01:28:24,200 --> 01:28:21,870
gobekli tepe but this site complex

2112
01:28:26,900 --> 01:28:24,210
actually dates back to earlier perhaps

2113
01:28:29,720 --> 01:28:26,910
then gobekli tepe and this was just

2114
01:28:31,490 --> 01:28:29,730
recently reported by probably the

2115
01:28:32,570 --> 01:28:31,500
Turkish Ministry of Antiquities I'm

2116
01:28:35,210 --> 01:28:32,580
going to pull up an article here I

2117
01:28:36,680 --> 01:28:35,220
believe yeah I've got one here and this

2118
01:28:38,450 --> 01:28:36,690
was just announced late last year

2119
01:28:39,980 --> 01:28:38,460
December 5th is the date of this article

2120
01:28:41,420 --> 01:28:39,990
but it says Turkish archaeologists have

2121
01:28:43,580 --> 01:28:41,430
unearthed an ancient site in the

2122
01:28:45,460 --> 01:28:43,590
southern province of Mardan that is

2123
01:28:48,020 --> 01:28:45,470
likely older than gobekli tepe

2124
01:28:51,200 --> 01:28:48,030
recognized as the oldest temple in the

2125
01:28:53,810 --> 01:28:51,210
world so again this site is gonna be

2126
01:28:57,440 --> 01:28:53,820
another game-changer bong cuckoo Tala

2127
01:28:59,750 --> 01:28:57,450
which means beaded field gobekli tepe of

2128
01:29:01,460 --> 01:28:59,760
course potbelly hill but this just goes

2129
01:29:03,050 --> 01:29:01,470
to show there are actually other gobekli

2130
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:03,060
tepe x' and they might not all be right

2131
01:29:08,390 --> 01:29:05,610
there in Anatolia Turkey either there

2132
01:29:10,580 --> 01:29:08,400
have been some whispers about similarly

2133
01:29:13,370 --> 01:29:10,590
ancient sites in other parts of the

2134
01:29:14,990 --> 01:29:13,380
world you know Graham Hancock and

2135
01:29:17,750 --> 01:29:15,000
certain riders who are considered pseudo

2136
01:29:20,780 --> 01:29:17,760
archeologists have written about this

2137
01:29:23,660 --> 01:29:20,790
now again I I point that out because I

2138
01:29:26,780 --> 01:29:23,670
work with a lot of people in in actual

2139
01:29:27,980 --> 01:29:26,790
scientific archaeology and a lot of them

2140
01:29:30,860 --> 01:29:27,990
actually have a lot of respect for

2141
01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:30,870
Graham Hancock I do too he would never

2142
01:29:34,550 --> 01:29:32,610
claim to being an archeologist he's

2143
01:29:36,110 --> 01:29:34,560
actually had a lot of come tonight

2144
01:29:39,110 --> 01:29:36,120
oh yeah I think it's fair to say

2145
01:29:40,910 --> 01:29:39,120
criticisms of absolutely absolutely yeah

2146
01:29:43,160 --> 01:29:40,920
but here's the whole thing you know

2147
01:29:44,780 --> 01:29:43,170
there's always some debate some brouhaha

2148
01:29:46,970 --> 01:29:44,790
going on you know the academics saying

2149
01:29:49,880 --> 01:29:46,980
well no he has no place in what we do I

2150
01:29:52,220 --> 01:29:49,890
would say actually to the contrary what

2151
01:29:54,320 --> 01:29:52,230
people like Graham Hancock do as they do

2152
01:29:55,070 --> 01:29:54,330
challenged paradigms they do cause

2153
01:29:57,350 --> 01:29:55,080
people to think

2154
01:30:00,020 --> 01:29:57,360
outside the box and then when we do find

2155
01:30:02,660 --> 01:30:00,030
sites like gobekli tepe that do indicate

2156
01:30:05,570 --> 01:30:02,670
that you know we have to engage in

2157
01:30:07,100 --> 01:30:05,580
radical shifts in thinking and revisions

2158
01:30:09,470 --> 01:30:07,110
even at times in terms of what we

2159
01:30:11,900 --> 01:30:09,480
thought we knew and we learned that

2160
01:30:14,720 --> 01:30:11,910
there are certain things that Graham

2161
01:30:16,370 --> 01:30:14,730
Hancock had either closely predicted or

2162
01:30:18,770 --> 01:30:16,380
had been saying all along which do come

2163
01:30:20,300 --> 01:30:18,780
to fruition it really does show that I

2164
01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:20,310
think that there's a space in between

2165
01:30:24,980 --> 01:30:22,890
academia and quote/unquote pseudo

2166
01:30:27,470 --> 01:30:24,990
archaeology where you know great minds

2167
01:30:29,780 --> 01:30:27,480
who are equally invested in just trying

2168
01:30:31,970 --> 01:30:29,790
to discern the truth can meet they don't

2169
01:30:34,550 --> 01:30:31,980
always have to agree but again Graham

2170
01:30:36,470 --> 01:30:34,560
plays a very necessary role in all of

2171
01:30:39,410 --> 01:30:36,480
this by pushing those paradigms and

2172
01:30:41,990 --> 01:30:39,420
really more broadly speaking the study

2173
01:30:43,700 --> 01:30:42,000
of anomalies does that it may be the

2174
01:30:46,580 --> 01:30:43,710
again what charles fort called the

2175
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:46,590
damned facts the excluded datum you know

2176
01:30:51,350 --> 01:30:48,570
that we find in some dusty old textbook

2177
01:30:53,810 --> 01:30:51,360
that one little excluded fact may be the

2178
01:30:55,940 --> 01:30:53,820
thing that when we finally turn the

2179
01:30:57,710 --> 01:30:55,950
light of science on that we go okay well

2180
01:31:00,530 --> 01:30:57,720
what's this we ignored it for decades

2181
01:31:02,210 --> 01:31:00,540
but now here's this thing and then it

2182
01:31:04,610 --> 01:31:02,220
opens up a whole new paradigm again

2183
01:31:07,670 --> 01:31:04,620
gobekli tepe was that it was ignored for

2184
01:31:09,560 --> 01:31:07,680
really probably centuries there had been

2185
01:31:11,030 --> 01:31:09,570
a tradition a cultural tradition that

2186
01:31:12,560 --> 01:31:11,040
there was significance to this hill the

2187
01:31:13,940 --> 01:31:12,570
locals seemed to know that there was

2188
01:31:15,860 --> 01:31:13,950
something going on and that's often the

2189
01:31:17,180 --> 01:31:15,870
case when it comes to indigenous

2190
01:31:19,790 --> 01:31:17,190
cultures and their knowledge of their

2191
01:31:22,100 --> 01:31:19,800
environment but but we ever mighty

2192
01:31:23,630 --> 01:31:22,110
Western scientists you know come into

2193
01:31:25,310 --> 01:31:23,640
the picture and we look and we don't see

2194
01:31:28,520 --> 01:31:25,320
anything and we go back home and decades

2195
01:31:29,300 --> 01:31:28,530
later we find what at the time was the

2196
01:31:30,920 --> 01:31:29,310
most significant archaeological

2197
01:31:32,630 --> 01:31:30,930
discovery in the world and now we're

2198
01:31:34,670 --> 01:31:32,640
finding sites adjacent to it or nearby

2199
01:31:37,160 --> 01:31:34,680
in the region that are even older so

2200
01:31:39,230 --> 01:31:37,170
yeah quite obviously these paradigms

2201
01:31:41,480 --> 01:31:39,240
need to be pushed but it is I would

2202
01:31:43,280 --> 01:31:41,490
argue at times the anomaly that helps us

2203
01:31:44,810 --> 01:31:43,290
do that we don't study anomalies just

2204
01:31:46,820 --> 01:31:44,820
for the sake of being mysterious and

2205
01:31:49,100 --> 01:31:46,830
finding weird things spooky things

2206
01:31:50,360 --> 01:31:49,110
unexplained mysteries you know you get

2207
01:31:51,980 --> 01:31:50,370
to a point where you can enjoy

2208
01:31:54,140 --> 01:31:51,990
television and reading books about this

2209
01:31:56,960 --> 01:31:54,150
stuff all you want but if you're gonna

2210
01:31:58,610 --> 01:31:56,970
be a serious researcher it is incumbent

2211
01:32:01,670 --> 01:31:58,620
upon the serious researcher to look at

2212
01:32:04,520 --> 01:32:01,680
those anomalies and do so both with

2213
01:32:06,830 --> 01:32:04,530
respect for good science and and the you

2214
01:32:09,259 --> 01:32:06,840
know consensus viewpoints but also with

2215
01:32:11,059 --> 01:32:09,269
an open mind always do so

2216
01:32:13,219 --> 01:32:11,069
no matter what responsibly and try to

2217
01:32:16,549 --> 01:32:13,229
carry out your research responsibly and

2218
01:32:18,949 --> 01:32:16,559
academically but again the the sincere

2219
01:32:20,689 --> 01:32:18,959
and responsible study of anomalies I

2220
01:32:22,819 --> 01:32:20,699
think pushes those boundaries makes new

2221
01:32:26,179 --> 01:32:22,829
discoveries and that helps reshape our

2222
01:32:27,469 --> 01:32:26,189
reality which right now I think in truth

2223
01:32:29,389 --> 01:32:27,479
in light of what we opened the show

2224
01:32:31,219 --> 01:32:29,399
discussing with you know the issues we

2225
01:32:33,289 --> 01:32:31,229
see in the Middle East we could use a

2226
01:32:36,109 --> 01:32:33,299
little conscious evolution a little you

2227
01:32:37,459 --> 01:32:36,119
know mind expanding discovery if we all

2228
01:32:38,839 --> 01:32:37,469
could engage in a little event and we

2229
01:32:40,549 --> 01:32:38,849
could broaden our concept of the world

2230
01:32:41,929 --> 01:32:40,559
in our place in it maybe we'd all be a

2231
01:32:46,159 --> 01:32:41,939
little better for that don't you think

2232
01:32:51,619 --> 01:32:46,169
well this is what supports what you are

2233
01:32:54,529 --> 01:32:51,629
saying the the arguments that occurred

2234
01:32:58,279 --> 01:32:54,539
at the press conference in in 1992 in

2235
01:32:59,689 --> 01:32:58,289
San Diego between Robert Schoch and John

2236
01:33:02,389 --> 01:32:59,699
Anthony West and the rest of the

2237
01:33:04,479 --> 01:33:02,399
geologists that that get together each

2238
01:33:07,789 --> 01:33:04,489
year for their their annual conference

2239
01:33:10,189 --> 01:33:07,799
where the presentation was there for the

2240
01:33:13,729 --> 01:33:10,199
dating of the Sphinx and their

2241
01:33:16,189 --> 01:33:13,739
television special was airing and this

2242
01:33:20,179 --> 01:33:16,199
controversy was laid out and they had

2243
01:33:23,419 --> 01:33:20,189
said to shock back then and to jaws they

2244
01:33:27,829 --> 01:33:23,429
said look give us any evidence of

2245
01:33:31,069 --> 01:33:27,839
anything before Giza before 3,000 BC

2246
01:33:33,739 --> 01:33:31,079
give us evidence of any culture carving

2247
01:33:36,649 --> 01:33:33,749
a rock and making a megalithic structure

2248
01:33:40,219 --> 01:33:36,659
then we have an argument but until then

2249
01:33:43,909 --> 01:33:40,229
the dating stands what they didn't know

2250
01:33:47,059 --> 01:33:43,919
was that three years later gobekli tepe

2251
01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:47,069
and Klaus Schmidt hit the scene had that

2252
01:33:52,009 --> 01:33:50,010
debate happened three years later it's a

2253
01:33:54,319 --> 01:33:52,019
different press conference it's a

2254
01:33:56,689 --> 01:33:54,329
different discussion but they didn't

2255
01:33:59,659 --> 01:33:56,699
want to hear anything about anything

2256
01:34:02,809 --> 01:33:59,669
because they were firmly planted in the

2257
01:34:04,969 --> 01:34:02,819
dogma that everything started at Giza

2258
01:34:06,979 --> 01:34:04,979
and there was no evidence anywhere in

2259
01:34:09,289 --> 01:34:06,989
this planet of any intelligent

2260
01:34:11,439 --> 01:34:09,299
civilization constructing any monuments

2261
01:34:15,169 --> 01:34:11,449
or temples or any megalithic structures

2262
01:34:18,579 --> 01:34:15,179
what changed everything was not only did

2263
01:34:21,969 --> 01:34:18,589
it predate Gaza not by a hundred years

2264
01:34:26,599 --> 01:34:21,979
and not by a thousand years

2265
01:34:28,849 --> 01:34:26,609
8,000 years before he's right how much

2266
01:34:31,790 --> 01:34:28,859
more evidence do you need for something

2267
01:34:34,279 --> 01:34:31,800
like this and that's where if it wasn't

2268
01:34:36,739 --> 01:34:34,289
for Graham Hancock and Robert Bauval and

2269
01:34:39,589 --> 01:34:36,749
Robert Schoch and John Anthony West and

2270
01:34:43,779 --> 01:34:39,599
others Andrew Collins you know looking

2271
01:34:46,969 --> 01:34:43,789
at Orion and the alignment and in the

2272
01:34:49,040 --> 01:34:46,979
erosion and the changes that were

2273
01:34:52,969 --> 01:34:49,050
happening I giza to present something

2274
01:34:54,580 --> 01:34:52,979
that could have happened at 10,000 BC at

2275
01:34:58,549 --> 01:34:54,590
the end of the last ice age

2276
01:35:01,819 --> 01:34:58,559
they excused all of it as pseudo

2277
01:35:05,719 --> 01:35:01,829
archeology and pseudoscience and an in

2278
01:35:09,069 --> 01:35:05,729
crazytown tinfoil hat craziness when it

2279
01:35:11,959 --> 01:35:09,079
turned out that all of them were right

2280
01:35:13,629 --> 01:35:11,969
and that's the crazy part about it and

2281
01:35:17,179 --> 01:35:13,639
that's where science

2282
01:35:19,909 --> 01:35:17,189
maika for me science is supposed to be

2283
01:35:22,419 --> 01:35:19,919
about asking questions science is

2284
01:35:25,489 --> 01:35:22,429
supposed to be about a series of

2285
01:35:28,729 --> 01:35:25,499
Corrections right that's what it is it's

2286
01:35:31,399 --> 01:35:28,739
a series of Corrections we go back at

2287
01:35:34,069 --> 01:35:31,409
one point the earth was the center of

2288
01:35:36,290 --> 01:35:34,079
the known universe well what did we do

2289
01:35:38,869 --> 01:35:36,300
with that we corrected it we didn't stay

2290
01:35:41,719 --> 01:35:38,879
on that we know that that's not true and

2291
01:35:44,419 --> 01:35:41,729
that's what science is and that's why I

2292
01:35:48,020 --> 01:35:44,429
went in the in archeology and

2293
01:35:50,689 --> 01:35:48,030
anthropology and in geology when you

2294
01:35:52,489 --> 01:35:50,699
look at all of this just go back think

2295
01:35:54,469 --> 01:35:52,499
outside the box and maybe correct

2296
01:35:58,129 --> 01:35:54,479
something from the past it's really that

2297
01:36:00,739 --> 01:35:58,139
simple and nothing is absolute is it

2298
01:36:02,810 --> 01:36:00,749
well yeah you know I mean maybe some

2299
01:36:04,399 --> 01:36:02,820
things are but again it requires science

2300
01:36:06,589 --> 01:36:04,409
to be able to prove those things as

2301
01:36:08,449 --> 01:36:06,599
being absolute now you know maybe I'll

2302
01:36:11,929 --> 01:36:08,459
give you an example give me an example

2303
01:36:14,060 --> 01:36:11,939
of something that is absolute you know I

2304
01:36:16,540 --> 01:36:14,070
think that we could probably look at

2305
01:36:19,849 --> 01:36:16,550
certain physical laws of the universe

2306
01:36:22,310 --> 01:36:19,859
most for instance thermodynamic laws are

2307
01:36:25,399 --> 01:36:22,320
pretty absolute although but they've all

2308
01:36:28,520 --> 01:36:25,409
changed they they all changed earlier

2309
01:36:31,659 --> 01:36:28,530
ideas changed to make room for those

2310
01:36:35,149 --> 01:36:31,669
scientific what we consider laws

2311
01:36:37,790 --> 01:36:35,159
adjustments yes and proof of concept

2312
01:36:39,709 --> 01:36:37,800
oh yes right and a postmodern

2313
01:36:43,070 --> 01:36:39,719
philosopher might argue that but see

2314
01:36:44,870 --> 01:36:43,080
even those things might be subject to

2315
01:36:46,580 --> 01:36:44,880
change to see I see what you're saying

2316
01:36:48,979 --> 01:36:46,590
actually and again this was the whole

2317
01:36:50,629 --> 01:36:48,989
point that I don't consider myself a

2318
01:36:52,220 --> 01:36:50,639
postmodern philosopher but I look at all

2319
01:36:54,490 --> 01:36:52,230
philosophy and I try to take it all of

2320
01:36:57,110 --> 01:36:54,500
all of it with a grain of salt right

2321
01:37:00,439 --> 01:36:57,120
while learning from it but you know

2322
01:37:02,510 --> 01:37:00,449
Michel Foucault focu obviously Foucault

2323
01:37:05,810 --> 01:37:02,520
always mix mixes named but but Foucault

2324
01:37:08,390 --> 01:37:05,820
and he wrote about the history here

2325
01:37:11,090 --> 01:37:08,400
ially was more a history of historian of

2326
01:37:14,810 --> 01:37:11,100
science but ended up becoming really one

2327
01:37:16,459 --> 01:37:14,820
of the the leading philosophers of his

2328
01:37:18,800 --> 01:37:16,469
era what he was doing is he's going back

2329
01:37:21,560 --> 01:37:18,810
and he's looking at how you know the

2330
01:37:23,120 --> 01:37:21,570
best science of the day with the with

2331
01:37:26,270 --> 01:37:23,130
the you know the middle health that was

2332
01:37:27,770 --> 01:37:26,280
being you know provided for people in

2333
01:37:29,419 --> 01:37:27,780
France at that time they didn't

2334
01:37:31,209 --> 01:37:29,429
necessarily benefit from it it may have

2335
01:37:33,740 --> 01:37:31,219
been cutting-edge science but it was

2336
01:37:36,709 --> 01:37:33,750
antiquated at best by today's standards

2337
01:37:38,959 --> 01:37:36,719
and often they fared quite poorly with

2338
01:37:40,879 --> 01:37:38,969
the imposition of that and so in writing

2339
01:37:43,490 --> 01:37:40,889
about that he makes the fundamental

2340
01:37:45,770 --> 01:37:43,500
argument that the very best scientific

2341
01:37:49,340 --> 01:37:45,780
knowledge of any particular era may not

2342
01:37:52,160 --> 01:37:49,350
necessarily be to the benefit of people

2343
01:37:54,379 --> 01:37:52,170
right and and what began really as

2344
01:37:56,450 --> 01:37:54,389
history of science goes into philosophy

2345
01:37:58,189 --> 01:37:56,460
and that argument remains and that's

2346
01:38:01,520 --> 01:37:58,199
kind of remained a fundamental tenant

2347
01:38:03,290 --> 01:38:01,530
and I've seen others who whether or not

2348
01:38:04,879 --> 01:38:03,300
arguing for postmodern philosophy

2349
01:38:07,010 --> 01:38:04,889
they're nonetheless raised the point

2350
01:38:08,360 --> 01:38:07,020
that again in this era all the things

2351
01:38:10,160 --> 01:38:08,370
that we think them that we take for

2352
01:38:12,910 --> 01:38:10,170
granted is being scientific laws and

2353
01:38:15,229 --> 01:38:12,920
being absolute constants in the universe

2354
01:38:16,640 --> 01:38:15,239
time and time again if we look back at

2355
01:38:19,610 --> 01:38:16,650
the history of science we've seen those

2356
01:38:21,649 --> 01:38:19,620
things be upended and new discoveries

2357
01:38:23,810 --> 01:38:21,659
change everything about our fundamental

2358
01:38:25,189 --> 01:38:23,820
understanding of reality we have to not

2359
01:38:27,410 --> 01:38:25,199
only be prepared for but we have to

2360
01:38:29,660 --> 01:38:27,420
expect that the same will happen with

2361
01:38:31,760 --> 01:38:29,670
those constants we recognize today and

2362
01:38:33,620 --> 01:38:31,770
that in the future new scientific

2363
01:38:35,439 --> 01:38:33,630
discoveries will shift those paradigms

2364
01:38:37,399 --> 01:38:35,449
even further and we will have to rewrite

2365
01:38:38,990 --> 01:38:37,409
everything we thought we knew just like

2366
01:38:40,700 --> 01:38:39,000
a couple of hundred years ago they did

2367
01:38:42,379 --> 01:38:40,710
no one would have conceived at the time

2368
01:38:44,540 --> 01:38:42,389
that Newton was really redefining

2369
01:38:46,310 --> 01:38:44,550
science and the physical universe that

2370
01:38:48,650 --> 01:38:46,320
some guy would come along with a bad

2371
01:38:50,030 --> 01:38:48,660
haircut and take it even one step

2372
01:38:52,220 --> 01:38:50,040
further actually I kind of loved on

2373
01:38:55,190 --> 01:38:52,230
Stein's crazy mad scientist here do so

2374
01:38:58,070 --> 01:38:55,200
but I mean Einstein did just that right

2375
01:38:59,540 --> 01:38:58,080
he has a dream about a cow standing too

2376
01:39:01,250 --> 01:38:59,550
close to an electric fence and being

2377
01:39:04,220 --> 01:39:01,260
electrocuted and a farmer standing a

2378
01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:04,230
distance away and you know the laps in

2379
01:39:09,680 --> 01:39:07,290
the observation of the electrocution

2380
01:39:11,140 --> 01:39:09,690
you know hurry occurring based on the

2381
01:39:13,250 --> 01:39:11,150
distance he was from the cow anyway

2382
01:39:14,570 --> 01:39:13,260
that's interesting in itself by the way

2383
01:39:17,200 --> 01:39:14,580
the fact that there had been a dream

2384
01:39:20,480 --> 01:39:17,210
that in part was the inspiration behind

2385
01:39:23,150 --> 01:39:20,490
the the revelations that Einstein would

2386
01:39:25,040 --> 01:39:23,160
later prove with mathematical equations

2387
01:39:27,110 --> 01:39:25,050
and of course the groundbreaking

2388
01:39:29,240 --> 01:39:27,120
theories of general and special

2389
01:39:31,970 --> 01:39:29,250
relativity change yet again everything

2390
01:39:35,690 --> 01:39:31,980
we think we know about physics well okay

2391
01:39:40,310 --> 01:39:35,700
and this is and this is what I find so

2392
01:39:44,780 --> 01:39:40,320
interesting about Einstein as as radical

2393
01:39:47,830 --> 01:39:44,790
as 1905 was right when his first papers

2394
01:39:52,520 --> 01:39:47,840
were released special relativity

2395
01:39:56,360 --> 01:39:52,530
Einstein firmly believed through his

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01:39:59,960 --> 01:39:56,370
math that the universe was constant and

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01:40:03,650 --> 01:39:59,970
static right that's it there was no

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01:40:07,190 --> 01:40:03,660
movement to the universe then he goes up

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01:40:11,930 --> 01:40:07,200
onto Mount Wilson with Edwin Hubble

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01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:11,940
Hubble says these stars are moving not

2401
01:40:17,260 --> 01:40:14,010
only are these stars moving but entire

2402
01:40:19,220 --> 01:40:17,270
galaxies are moving apart

2403
01:40:21,590 --> 01:40:19,230
Einstein goes and looks through the

2404
01:40:23,960 --> 01:40:21,600
telescope with wit and and and is

2405
01:40:26,420 --> 01:40:23,970
looking at the photographs that Edwin

2406
01:40:31,130 --> 01:40:26,430
Hubble is taking and he went back and he

2407
01:40:34,010 --> 01:40:31,140
said I'm wrong so he had to go back to

2408
01:40:36,890 --> 01:40:34,020
his math and remove the static part

2409
01:40:39,920 --> 01:40:36,900
right the constant the still most part

2410
01:40:43,370 --> 01:40:39,930
of his equations and change it and and

2411
01:40:47,960 --> 01:40:43,380
he admitted to that Einstein was wrong

2412
01:40:51,170 --> 01:40:47,970
and it was a blunder right that this is

2413
01:40:54,680 --> 01:40:51,180
all new news in the world of science and

2414
01:40:58,580 --> 01:40:54,690
even that part of what Hubble discovered

2415
01:41:01,010 --> 01:40:58,590
was changed again in 1998 when they

2416
01:41:01,910 --> 01:41:01,020
found that not only was the universe

2417
01:41:06,620 --> 01:41:01,920
expanding by

2418
01:41:09,200 --> 01:41:06,630
it was increasing its speed that the

2419
01:41:12,650 --> 01:41:09,210
speed of the universe wasn't constant on

2420
01:41:14,690 --> 01:41:12,660
its expansion but it was increasing and

2421
01:41:17,330 --> 01:41:14,700
it was increasing a lot and that the

2422
01:41:20,870 --> 01:41:17,340
outer most galaxies were traveling at

2423
01:41:23,360 --> 01:41:20,880
the speed of light or faster which again

2424
01:41:25,760 --> 01:41:23,370
changed everything that Einstein had

2425
01:41:27,980 --> 01:41:25,770
written right and this is the part of

2426
01:41:30,800 --> 01:41:27,990
science where it's a Conte

2427
01:41:33,830 --> 01:41:30,810
it's in flux it's always being corrected

2428
01:41:38,450 --> 01:41:33,840
and they're ok with that but historians

2429
01:41:40,610 --> 01:41:38,460
and archaeologists are not there they're

2430
01:41:43,550 --> 01:41:40,620
not what they don't want to go outside

2431
01:41:45,860 --> 01:41:43,560
of the box they want to stay in the norm

2432
01:41:47,570 --> 01:41:45,870
especially to look at Egypt colleges

2433
01:41:50,150 --> 01:41:47,580
they don't even want to recognize

2434
01:41:52,010 --> 01:41:50,160
gobekli tepe so so on that point you

2435
01:41:53,750 --> 01:41:52,020
here you see raised some good points you

2436
01:41:56,060 --> 01:41:53,760
know and this is something that Graham

2437
01:41:58,640 --> 01:41:56,070
Hancock has said a number of times he's

2438
01:42:00,290 --> 01:41:58,650
he's argued that you know Egyptologists

2439
01:42:02,360 --> 01:42:00,300
rather than being scientists to really

2440
01:42:05,150 --> 01:42:02,370
just kind of glorify it art historians

2441
01:42:07,100 --> 01:42:05,160
well I would respectfully beg to differ

2442
01:42:10,250 --> 01:42:07,110
you know again the science of

2443
01:42:12,980 --> 01:42:10,260
archaeology is indeed a lot more complex

2444
01:42:14,150 --> 01:42:12,990
than that and and you know we could we

2445
01:42:15,500 --> 01:42:14,160
don't have to go off on a history lesson

2446
01:42:18,530 --> 01:42:15,510
in the development of scientific

2447
01:42:21,280 --> 01:42:18,540
approaches to archaeology but what I do

2448
01:42:24,290 --> 01:42:21,290
think is important to point out is that

2449
01:42:25,940 --> 01:42:24,300
when we talk about Egyptology a lot of

2450
01:42:27,830 --> 01:42:25,950
what archeologists in the field of

2451
01:42:30,650 --> 01:42:27,840
Egyptology are doing and really this

2452
01:42:33,020 --> 01:42:30,660
should be said not to vindicate

2453
01:42:34,610 --> 01:42:33,030
Hancock's so much as to make the

2454
01:42:36,830 --> 01:42:34,620
allotment that he is partially correct

2455
01:42:38,630 --> 01:42:36,840
but not completely we can't just make

2456
01:42:41,390 --> 01:42:38,640
broad statements about well archaeology

2457
01:42:44,180 --> 01:42:41,400
is this or it is that many Egyptologists

2458
01:42:47,210 --> 01:42:44,190
they're their Forte if you will is in

2459
01:42:49,940 --> 01:42:47,220
the interpretation of art and pictorial

2460
01:42:51,680 --> 01:42:49,950
representations architecture language

2461
01:42:53,500 --> 01:42:51,690
you know hieroglyphic you know the

2462
01:42:55,490 --> 01:42:53,510
Pyramid Texts things along these lines

2463
01:42:56,960 --> 01:42:55,500
it's not to say that they haven't ever

2464
01:42:58,970 --> 01:42:56,970
done any field studies were ever

2465
01:43:00,920 --> 01:42:58,980
conducted or participated in actual

2466
01:43:02,450 --> 01:43:00,930
excavation or anything along those lines

2467
01:43:04,550 --> 01:43:02,460
but again when we look at American

2468
01:43:05,660 --> 01:43:04,560
archaeology when I go out you know and

2469
01:43:07,730 --> 01:43:05,670
I'm assisting I'm not a professional

2470
01:43:09,710 --> 01:43:07,740
archaeologist I'm an avocation list

2471
01:43:12,050 --> 01:43:09,720
which means a dedicated amateur in that

2472
01:43:13,010 --> 01:43:12,060
field and I've worked alongside in my

2473
01:43:15,229 --> 01:43:13,020
opinion some of the very best

2474
01:43:16,669 --> 01:43:15,239
archaeologists in America right

2475
01:43:21,410 --> 01:43:16,679
now but again what we do is we go out

2476
01:43:23,930 --> 01:43:21,420
and we do a site survey and we determine

2477
01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:23,940
what area we want to excavate we we find

2478
01:43:26,989 --> 01:43:25,530
an area that is going to be promising

2479
01:43:29,989 --> 01:43:26,999
often there's a lot of different data

2480
01:43:32,660 --> 01:43:29,999
than Mike that might contribute to that

2481
01:43:34,580 --> 01:43:32,670
you know area that we choose to excavate

2482
01:43:38,509 --> 01:43:34,590
and then when the excavation occurs you

2483
01:43:42,439 --> 01:43:38,519
know there's a very methodical very very

2484
01:43:44,270 --> 01:43:42,449
controlled you know process that occurs

2485
01:43:45,410 --> 01:43:44,280
of well again it's all blood sweat and

2486
01:43:47,359 --> 01:43:45,420
tears that's involved when you're

2487
01:43:49,989 --> 01:43:47,369
removing those layers of soil and you're

2488
01:43:52,790 --> 01:43:49,999
going down but I mean the documentation

2489
01:43:55,399 --> 01:43:52,800
visually and otherwise you know samples

2490
01:43:57,020 --> 01:43:55,409
that are taken if actual material

2491
01:43:59,419 --> 01:43:57,030
remains artifacts are discovered you

2492
01:44:01,129 --> 01:43:59,429
know their their documentation and then

2493
01:44:02,029 --> 01:44:01,139
eventual recovery all these kinds of

2494
01:44:04,189 --> 01:44:02,039
things and then when you get into the

2495
01:44:05,330 --> 01:44:04,199
realm of geo Archaea archaeological

2496
01:44:07,759 --> 01:44:05,340
studies where we're taking core samples

2497
01:44:09,560 --> 01:44:07,769
you know and doing study of the

2498
01:44:11,479 --> 01:44:09,570
sedimentary layers and all these kinds

2499
01:44:13,910 --> 01:44:11,489
of things you know there's a lot of

2500
01:44:15,830 --> 01:44:13,920
science in that process what Graham I

2501
01:44:18,500 --> 01:44:15,840
think is talking about when he offers

2502
01:44:19,910 --> 01:44:18,510
these critiques and what I think is

2503
01:44:22,100 --> 01:44:19,920
correct in what you're talking about

2504
01:44:23,450 --> 01:44:22,110
when it relates to you know a lot of old

2505
01:44:26,859 --> 01:44:23,460
ideas are remaining in they aren't

2506
01:44:28,729 --> 01:44:26,869
shifting is you know very specialized

2507
01:44:32,120 --> 01:44:28,739
archaeologists in the discipline of

2508
01:44:34,910 --> 01:44:32,130
Egyptology you know they are they

2509
01:44:36,410 --> 01:44:34,920
approach it from a very different kind

2510
01:44:38,239 --> 01:44:36,420
of science than maybe the American

2511
01:44:40,419 --> 01:44:38,249
archaeologists digging at one by one

2512
01:44:42,560 --> 01:44:40,429
right and he's going to but nonetheless

2513
01:44:45,009 --> 01:44:42,570
they are trained in archaeology I

2514
01:44:47,629 --> 01:44:45,019
maintain is a science a science I mean

2515
01:44:49,759 --> 01:44:47,639
where as Graham kind of argues that you

2516
01:44:51,859 --> 01:44:49,769
know it's a very unscientific science I

2517
01:44:54,950 --> 01:44:51,869
know why he says that but I do think

2518
01:44:57,290 --> 01:44:54,960
that maybe that you know there needs to

2519
01:44:59,209 --> 01:44:57,300
be the caveat offered that many people

2520
01:45:00,410 --> 01:44:59,219
in professional fields are I mean

2521
01:45:02,839 --> 01:45:00,420
they've got tunnel vision they are

2522
01:45:05,000 --> 01:45:02,849
trained in a discipline that's what's

2523
01:45:05,930 --> 01:45:05,010
really promoted in academia these days

2524
01:45:08,239 --> 01:45:05,940
but that doesn't mean that they aren't

2525
01:45:10,459 --> 01:45:08,249
scientific now on the other side of that

2526
01:45:11,950 --> 01:45:10,469
that really kind of bespeaks the virtue

2527
01:45:13,640 --> 01:45:11,960
of the general is the person who is

2528
01:45:16,279 --> 01:45:13,650
multidisciplinary and who can see a

2529
01:45:18,439 --> 01:45:16,289
problem from many different angles when

2530
01:45:20,450 --> 01:45:18,449
Robert Schoch goes to Egypt and he's

2531
01:45:22,279 --> 01:45:20,460
observing geological patterns that he

2532
01:45:24,109 --> 01:45:22,289
thinks are indicative of differential

2533
01:45:26,660 --> 01:45:24,119
weathering and by the way you know one

2534
01:45:27,830 --> 01:45:26,670
of the things that I do Jimmy is having

2535
01:45:29,240 --> 01:45:27,840
a background in voice work I actually

2536
01:45:31,040 --> 01:45:29,250
narrate

2537
01:45:34,100 --> 01:45:31,050
audiobooks for some of these fantastic

2538
01:45:35,390 --> 01:45:34,110
folks and in 2020 that's gonna be one of

2539
01:45:39,200 --> 01:45:35,400
the books I'll be narrating is a book

2540
01:45:41,030 --> 01:45:39,210
co-authored by Robert Bauval and Robert

2541
01:45:42,980 --> 01:45:41,040
Schoch about the Sphinx and so I you

2542
01:45:44,420 --> 01:45:42,990
know I know Robert Schoch pretty well

2543
01:45:46,880 --> 01:45:44,430
I'll tell you a story about him here in

2544
01:45:48,590 --> 01:45:46,890
a minute too that is a troubling story

2545
01:45:50,780 --> 01:45:48,600
in relation to the attitudes some

2546
01:45:52,550 --> 01:45:50,790
academics have for his work a story he

2547
01:45:55,580 --> 01:45:52,560
told me it event we were both talking at

2548
01:45:58,090 --> 01:45:55,590
but when shock shows up on the scene and

2549
01:46:00,920 --> 01:45:58,100
he sees evidence of what he thinks is

2550
01:46:02,960 --> 01:46:00,930
differential weathering both on the

2551
01:46:05,330 --> 01:46:02,970
Sphinx itself and also on the walls of

2552
01:46:06,800 --> 01:46:05,340
the quarry surrounding it he goes and he

2553
01:46:08,330 --> 01:46:06,810
takes this evidence before other

2554
01:46:09,800 --> 01:46:08,340
geologists and they're all almost

2555
01:46:11,510 --> 01:46:09,810
unanimous in their interpretation

2556
01:46:12,860 --> 01:46:11,520
they're like well that's exactly what

2557
01:46:15,290 --> 01:46:12,870
that looks like we think you're right

2558
01:46:17,210 --> 01:46:15,300
the Egypt a logical perspective wouldn't

2559
01:46:20,090 --> 01:46:17,220
allow for that because what it seemed to

2560
01:46:22,910 --> 01:46:20,100
suggest what it implied was contrary to

2561
01:46:25,910 --> 01:46:22,920
their opinion and their worldview in

2562
01:46:28,670 --> 01:46:25,920
relation to that opinion if you really

2563
01:46:31,370 --> 01:46:28,680
go back to prior to the modern era of

2564
01:46:33,500 --> 01:46:31,380
Egyptology most researchers who had

2565
01:46:34,850 --> 01:46:33,510
worked on the Giza Plateau and who had

2566
01:46:36,710 --> 01:46:34,860
worked specifically with the Sphinx

2567
01:46:38,030 --> 01:46:36,720
thought it was older and predated many

2568
01:46:41,420 --> 01:46:38,040
of the other monuments there in that

2569
01:46:43,580 --> 01:46:41,430
site complex nowadays it's interesting

2570
01:46:45,530 --> 01:46:43,590
that that idea does not seem to prevail

2571
01:46:47,420 --> 01:46:45,540
despite the fact that some evidence

2572
01:46:49,040 --> 01:46:47,430
maybe not all but some evidence

2573
01:46:51,830 --> 01:46:49,050
including that geological data that

2574
01:46:54,920 --> 01:46:51,840
Robert Schoch has supplied and others

2575
01:46:56,600 --> 01:46:54,930
have advocated seems to be in line with

2576
01:46:59,780 --> 01:46:56,610
that thinking that the Sphinx is indeed

2577
01:47:01,550 --> 01:46:59,790
much older and so we also have this sort

2578
01:47:03,770 --> 01:47:01,560
of jurisdictional problem this sort of

2579
01:47:06,230 --> 01:47:03,780
turf war between different scientific

2580
01:47:07,580 --> 01:47:06,240
disciplines where one has an idea that

2581
01:47:09,110 --> 01:47:07,590
differs from the other and so they can

2582
01:47:11,300 --> 01:47:09,120
never get along and agree and nobody can

2583
01:47:13,730 --> 01:47:11,310
come to a consensus but I think we have

2584
01:47:17,000 --> 01:47:13,740
to be open to all these possibilities

2585
01:47:18,920 --> 01:47:17,010
and so yeah again the point is some of

2586
01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:18,930
those criticisms are warranted I will

2587
01:47:22,100 --> 01:47:20,010
defend the science of archaeology

2588
01:47:24,320 --> 01:47:22,110
because I recognize it as a scientist or

2589
01:47:26,360 --> 01:47:24,330
as a science having worked with some of

2590
01:47:27,560 --> 01:47:26,370
those scientists but it doesn't mean

2591
01:47:29,090 --> 01:47:27,570
it's perfect that doesn't mean that

2592
01:47:31,430 --> 01:47:29,100
these people aren't prone to their own

2593
01:47:32,990 --> 01:47:31,440
errors in judgment and that there aren't

2594
01:47:34,430 --> 01:47:33,000
some things yet to be discerned about

2595
01:47:35,930 --> 01:47:34,440
sites like this Fink's and personally

2596
01:47:37,520 --> 01:47:35,940
from my own part in case anybody's

2597
01:47:39,890 --> 01:47:37,530
wondering I do think it's probably at

2598
01:47:41,390 --> 01:47:39,900
very least a little older than the other

2599
01:47:42,960 --> 01:47:41,400
side surrounded I mean there's a lot of

2600
01:47:45,130 --> 01:47:42,970
evidence that suggests that

2601
01:47:47,530 --> 01:47:45,140
absolutely let's take our break right

2602
01:47:49,660 --> 01:47:47,540
here we're gonna go into some overtime

2603
01:47:53,110 --> 01:47:49,670
Micah there's no way that you can avoid

2604
01:47:55,330 --> 01:47:53,120
the invitation we're gonna stay right

2605
01:47:57,910 --> 01:47:55,340
here our guest tonight Micah Hanks this

2606
01:48:03,160 --> 01:47:57,920
is the return of Micah Hanks and when we

2607
01:48:04,660 --> 01:48:03,170
come back Sasquatch Bigfoot you knew we

2608
01:48:06,160 --> 01:48:04,670
were gonna do just that our guest

2609
01:48:06,640 --> 01:48:06,170
tonight Mike Hanks I'm the host Jimmy

2610
01:48:09,400 --> 01:48:06,650
Church

2611
01:48:22,430 --> 01:48:09,410
this is fade to black overtime is next

2612
01:48:26,549 --> 01:48:24,750
welcome back fade to black

2613
01:48:30,180 --> 01:48:26,559
I am your host Jimmy Church you can

2614
01:48:32,250 --> 01:48:30,190
become an official fader nots just go to

2615
01:48:35,609 --> 01:48:32,260
our membership section right there Jimmy

2616
01:48:38,189 --> 01:48:35,619
Church radio.com that's right get

2617
01:48:41,490 --> 01:48:38,199
downloadable mp3s autographed hats and

2618
01:48:44,129 --> 01:48:41,500
shirts become a game changer today need

2619
01:48:46,680 --> 01:48:44,139
to get a private email to me and if if

2620
01:48:49,140 --> 01:48:46,690
you're real cool I'll give you a Micah's

2621
01:48:52,470 --> 01:48:49,150
cell phone number too as well

2622
01:48:55,200 --> 01:48:52,480
micah is just go to to maturity dot-com

2623
01:49:01,950 --> 01:48:55,210
membership section sasquatch

2624
01:49:04,470 --> 01:49:01,960
now when we get into this mm-hmm I'm on

2625
01:49:06,600 --> 01:49:04,480
the fence I don't I don't have a better

2626
01:49:12,990 --> 01:49:06,610
way to put it than that and I've even

2627
01:49:15,629 --> 01:49:13,000
seen footprints big ones too where I've

2628
01:49:18,330 --> 01:49:15,639
sat back and thought to myself I mean

2629
01:49:20,609 --> 01:49:18,340
really like hair-raising thoughts like

2630
01:49:22,260 --> 01:49:20,619
okay that this is a pretty incredible

2631
01:49:25,669 --> 01:49:22,270
and I didn't know how to wrap my mind

2632
01:49:28,200 --> 01:49:25,679
around it but I'm still on the fence

2633
01:49:30,839 --> 01:49:28,210
where are you when it comes to Bigfoot

2634
01:49:32,399 --> 01:49:30,849
and Sasquatch hold on you mean to tell

2635
01:49:34,470 --> 01:49:32,409
me you believe all this silly stuff but

2636
01:49:37,620 --> 01:49:34,480
a giant anthropomorphic ape in North

2637
01:49:38,100 --> 01:49:37,630
America still seems to out there for you

2638
01:49:42,780 --> 01:49:38,110
Jimmy

2639
01:49:49,439 --> 01:49:42,790
look I have seen I have seen on the same

2640
01:49:51,419 --> 01:49:49,449
day the same day I saw a daytime this is

2641
01:49:54,299 --> 01:49:51,429
the graylien UFO

2642
01:49:59,089 --> 01:49:54,309
it's a Holy Grail alien situation I saw

2643
01:50:01,379 --> 01:49:59,099
the grey alien daytime UFO 400 feet tall

2644
01:50:06,450 --> 01:50:01,389
shaped like a beer can

2645
01:50:09,390 --> 01:50:06,460
black spinning vertical with witnesses

2646
01:50:11,700 --> 01:50:09,400
all around me like 30 people and and and

2647
01:50:15,330 --> 01:50:11,710
saw this thing in the sky

2648
01:50:18,620 --> 01:50:15,340
clear as day lit up in focus sun shining

2649
01:50:22,319 --> 01:50:18,630
on it freaked out and then it just

2650
01:50:27,030 --> 01:50:22,329
lasted about 15 seconds and disappeared

2651
01:50:31,470 --> 01:50:27,040
right in front of us now is as big as

2652
01:50:36,240 --> 01:50:31,480
I'm gonna say is you know

2653
01:50:40,170 --> 01:50:36,250
Statue of Liberty right ginormous same

2654
01:50:42,479 --> 01:50:40,180
day out in the field for big footprints

2655
01:50:44,190 --> 01:50:42,489
somebody just posted pictures of it

2656
01:50:46,830 --> 01:50:44,200
right now on Twitter Michael you can go

2657
01:50:52,020 --> 01:50:46,840
and look and I think that that is is

2658
01:50:54,420 --> 01:50:52,030
that my foot in this picture and this

2659
01:50:57,780 --> 01:50:54,430
this footprint is like three inches deep

2660
01:51:00,180 --> 01:50:57,790
in the ground toes heel and there's four

2661
01:51:02,340 --> 01:51:00,190
of them left right left right going in

2662
01:51:03,300 --> 01:51:02,350
an arch in that and there are about six

2663
01:51:06,600 --> 01:51:03,310
feet apart

2664
01:51:10,800 --> 01:51:06,610
six feet my brother okay

2665
01:51:12,990 --> 01:51:10,810
now and an in hard-packed dirt I'm 200

2666
01:51:15,090 --> 01:51:13,000
pounds I didn't make a dent in this dirt

2667
01:51:18,570 --> 01:51:15,100
but these footprints are three inches

2668
01:51:22,290 --> 01:51:18,580
into the ground that hard-packed dirt

2669
01:51:25,020 --> 01:51:22,300
now I'm the same day I saw both but I'm

2670
01:51:28,110 --> 01:51:25,030
on the fence about Bigfoot okay all

2671
01:51:31,370 --> 01:51:28,120
right that's good so and that's that's

2672
01:51:34,740 --> 01:51:31,380
that's where I met I haven't seen

2673
01:51:35,700 --> 01:51:34,750
Bigfoot I haven't seen you know I

2674
01:51:37,950 --> 01:51:35,710
haven't seen anything

2675
01:51:40,710 --> 01:51:37,960
seeing the footprints it's pretty

2676
01:51:43,410 --> 01:51:40,720
convincing pretty fun to look at you

2677
01:51:45,390 --> 01:51:43,420
know it's a it's a paradigm shift when

2678
01:51:47,160 --> 01:51:45,400
you see something like this and I hope

2679
01:51:49,650 --> 01:51:47,170
you're looking at these footprints these

2680
01:51:51,690 --> 01:51:49,660
are what we found out in this field that

2681
01:51:54,600 --> 01:51:51,700
you can go into Twitter right now and

2682
01:51:56,880 --> 01:51:54,610
and look what everybody is posting and

2683
01:51:59,910 --> 01:51:56,890
salvage and it's in our documentary and

2684
01:52:02,490 --> 01:51:59,920
it was a who's a fun day to see this but

2685
01:52:03,840 --> 01:52:02,500
I just yeah I can't I can't find the

2686
01:52:05,370 --> 01:52:03,850
images in the Twitter threat I see

2687
01:52:07,640 --> 01:52:05,380
everybody tweeting at me there hello

2688
01:52:11,910 --> 01:52:07,650
Ilana over all the way over in Hawaii

2689
01:52:13,950 --> 01:52:11,920
looks all around the world and even all

2690
01:52:17,250 --> 01:52:13,960
kinds Bob out there so uh but I'm still

2691
01:52:20,700 --> 01:52:17,260
looking for Bigfoot yeah go to the go to

2692
01:52:22,710 --> 01:52:20,710
hashtag f2b yeah okay I'll find him

2693
01:52:25,710 --> 01:52:22,720
hashtag FTB you'll see it right there

2694
01:52:27,210 --> 01:52:25,720
can't miss it you know and here's the

2695
01:52:28,940 --> 01:52:27,220
other thing too about that let me pull

2696
01:52:30,240 --> 01:52:28,950
up that hashtag there they should be

2697
01:52:33,479 --> 01:52:30,250
here somewhere

2698
01:52:40,650 --> 01:52:33,489
I'll copy you on it here it comes here

2699
01:52:45,220 --> 01:52:40,660
it comes at George Noory that's the guy

2700
01:52:48,370 --> 01:52:45,230
folks we are just like this there you go

2701
01:52:49,870 --> 01:52:48,380
he got it let's see he's tweeting it

2702
01:52:53,320 --> 01:52:49,880
directly at me and still tighten a lot

2703
01:52:54,850 --> 01:52:53,330
particular channels oh there it is yeah

2704
01:52:56,140 --> 01:52:54,860
I guess yeah well obviously there's some

2705
01:52:59,140 --> 01:52:56,150
sort of a depression Oh

2706
01:53:02,770 --> 01:52:59,150
Alex is that an extending thumb like toe

2707
01:53:06,100 --> 01:53:02,780
off the side it is you know this is a

2708
01:53:08,650 --> 01:53:06,110
picture when I saw this with my own two

2709
01:53:12,220 --> 01:53:08,660
I mean it's it it's it's a clearly

2710
01:53:15,280 --> 01:53:12,230
defined sharp footprint it's crazy

2711
01:53:19,180 --> 01:53:15,290
toes the whole shot man it was a bizarre

2712
01:53:21,850 --> 01:53:19,190
thing to see and like I said we said we

2713
01:53:25,350 --> 01:53:21,860
had four these left right left right six

2714
01:53:29,340 --> 01:53:25,360
feet apart in an arch turning from

2715
01:53:32,020 --> 01:53:29,350
turning to the right and there were four

2716
01:53:35,590 --> 01:53:32,030
out in the middle of this field crazy

2717
01:53:38,500 --> 01:53:35,600
crazy crazy okay so but where are you

2718
01:53:40,150 --> 01:53:38,510
that's the question well I'm in my own

2719
01:53:41,950 --> 01:53:40,160
bunker and I've allowed you for years to

2720
01:53:44,140 --> 01:53:41,960
call yours that but that's another you

2721
01:53:47,410 --> 01:53:44,150
know matter entirely no no as far as

2722
01:53:50,140 --> 01:53:47,420
where I am on Sasquatch you know I think

2723
01:53:51,460 --> 01:53:50,150
I'm with you in the sense that and I

2724
01:53:52,960 --> 01:53:51,470
mean that sincerely I'm not just trying

2725
01:53:54,220 --> 01:53:52,970
to like you know agree with you a lot of

2726
01:53:56,200 --> 01:53:54,230
people get frustrated because they're

2727
01:53:58,900 --> 01:53:56,210
like mica you either believe in it or

2728
01:54:01,180 --> 01:53:58,910
you don't right which are you I try

2729
01:54:03,670 --> 01:54:01,190
honestly not to operate in that in that

2730
01:54:05,830 --> 01:54:03,680
way of thinking you know again what I

2731
01:54:08,770 --> 01:54:05,840
argue is there is some compelling

2732
01:54:11,620 --> 01:54:08,780
evidence but is that enough evidence for

2733
01:54:13,780 --> 01:54:11,630
me to say well I've never seen one you

2734
01:54:15,280 --> 01:54:13,790
know and there's not a decent photograph

2735
01:54:18,520 --> 01:54:15,290
there's that piece of footage from you

2736
01:54:20,620 --> 01:54:18,530
know the 1960s made by Pat Roger

2737
01:54:22,000 --> 01:54:20,630
Patterson and Bob Gimlin that depicts

2738
01:54:24,190 --> 01:54:22,010
what appears to be a female sasquatch

2739
01:54:26,230 --> 01:54:24,200
it's a great piece of footage man

2740
01:54:29,230 --> 01:54:26,240
it's a great piece of footage but it has

2741
01:54:31,090 --> 01:54:29,240
not reliably convinced all the skeptics

2742
01:54:32,680 --> 01:54:31,100
it does not I mean again to me I look at

2743
01:54:35,620 --> 01:54:32,690
that and there are many aspects of the

2744
01:54:37,780 --> 01:54:35,630
Patterson Gimlin film that compel me I

2745
01:54:41,680 --> 01:54:37,790
did a podcast episode about this called

2746
01:54:44,440 --> 01:54:41,690
frame 357 you know looking deeply at

2747
01:54:48,460 --> 01:54:44,450
this and some of the the nuances of that

2748
01:54:50,050 --> 01:54:48,470
narrative but again for me the problem

2749
01:54:51,730 --> 01:54:50,060
is is that many people argue well that's

2750
01:54:52,510 --> 01:54:51,740
probably just a person in the suit now

2751
01:54:54,610 --> 01:54:52,520
it

2752
01:54:56,560 --> 01:54:54,620
looks to me like based on the technology

2753
01:54:58,810 --> 01:54:56,570
available in the 1960s especially to a

2754
01:55:01,540 --> 01:54:58,820
couple of cowboys in California at that

2755
01:55:03,220 --> 01:55:01,550
time that this the appearance of what's

2756
01:55:06,010 --> 01:55:03,230
in that film exceeds what they could

2757
01:55:07,330 --> 01:55:06,020
have reliably hoaxed and if you read the

2758
01:55:09,360 --> 01:55:07,340
narratives about how they allegedly

2759
01:55:12,310 --> 01:55:09,370
hoaxed it there are a lot of problems

2760
01:55:13,960 --> 01:55:12,320
one theory is that you know Philip

2761
01:55:15,460 --> 01:55:13,970
Morris a costume maker here in North

2762
01:55:17,650 --> 01:55:15,470
Carolina who passed away a few years ago

2763
01:55:18,970 --> 01:55:17,660
he was based in Charlotte just a couple

2764
01:55:21,100 --> 01:55:18,980
of hours from me that he made the

2765
01:55:23,010 --> 01:55:21,110
costume another theory was that this

2766
01:55:25,930 --> 01:55:23,020
according to the retired pepsi-cola

2767
01:55:28,030 --> 01:55:25,940
bottler Bob hieronymus who claimed that

2768
01:55:29,740 --> 01:55:28,040
he'd worn the suit yep he said it was

2769
01:55:31,420 --> 01:55:29,750
made out of horse side that the top

2770
01:55:33,460 --> 01:55:31,430
portion was kind of like a tunic or a

2771
01:55:35,560 --> 01:55:33,470
big t-shirt that there was a waistband

2772
01:55:37,150 --> 01:55:35,570
that drew the pant portion together look

2773
01:55:39,340 --> 01:55:37,160
quite obviously what he described was

2774
01:55:41,230 --> 01:55:39,350
not in the film that was a much more

2775
01:55:43,390 --> 01:55:41,240
sophisticated costume if it was a

2776
01:55:44,680 --> 01:55:43,400
costume but even Philip Morris the

2777
01:55:47,170 --> 01:55:44,690
costume maker when he looked at the

2778
01:55:47,860 --> 01:55:47,180
video said well you know the mask isn't

2779
01:55:49,450 --> 01:55:47,870
the same

2780
01:55:51,010 --> 01:55:49,460
it looks like he's made something a

2781
01:55:54,250 --> 01:55:51,020
little different from the mask I gave

2782
01:55:55,750 --> 01:55:54,260
him the arms are longer the mask I the

2783
01:55:58,060 --> 01:55:55,760
suit I gave him didn't have breasts so

2784
01:55:59,890 --> 01:55:58,070
he's obviously augmented it but I sold a

2785
01:56:02,110 --> 01:55:59,900
suit to Patterson clearly that's my suit

2786
01:56:03,940 --> 01:56:02,120
even Philip Morris if you read what he

2787
01:56:05,980 --> 01:56:03,950
said didn't agree that what he saw in

2788
01:56:08,830 --> 01:56:05,990
the film was the suit that he claimed he

2789
01:56:10,690 --> 01:56:08,840
sold Patterson now all that aside the

2790
01:56:12,720 --> 01:56:10,700
debate continues about whether that film

2791
01:56:14,950 --> 01:56:12,730
is a you know physical flesh-and-blood

2792
01:56:17,110 --> 01:56:14,960
organism and no matter how good it looks

2793
01:56:19,210 --> 01:56:17,120
because that debate continues I maintain

2794
01:56:21,100 --> 01:56:19,220
that it hasn't reliably convinced the

2795
01:56:23,320 --> 01:56:21,110
scientific community where I stand on it

2796
01:56:26,050 --> 01:56:23,330
is I look at that evidence and I say

2797
01:56:28,450 --> 01:56:26,060
even if it hasn't convinced the

2798
01:56:30,250 --> 01:56:28,460
community that a creature exists we have

2799
01:56:33,370 --> 01:56:30,260
to consider it and it's not the only

2800
01:56:34,960 --> 01:56:33,380
evidence that exists however the body of

2801
01:56:37,030 --> 01:56:34,970
evidence in support of the existence of

2802
01:56:38,830 --> 01:56:37,040
Sasquatch is scant enough that it's not

2803
01:56:40,540 --> 01:56:38,840
really enough to be able to say

2804
01:56:42,100 --> 01:56:40,550
conclusively yeah this thing's out there

2805
01:56:44,590 --> 01:56:42,110
now we've just got to go find it so

2806
01:56:46,240 --> 01:56:44,600
where I sit is I'm one of these guys who

2807
01:56:47,410 --> 01:56:46,250
like you and I think it's a fair

2808
01:56:50,230 --> 01:56:47,420
position to be and if you're really

2809
01:56:52,720 --> 01:56:50,240
being honest I'm on the fence I'm really

2810
01:56:55,330 --> 01:56:52,730
interested in that data I'm interested

2811
01:56:57,280 --> 01:56:55,340
enough that I continue to pursue it I

2812
01:56:59,020 --> 01:56:57,290
look at the anthropological and the

2813
01:57:00,790 --> 01:56:59,030
zoological angle I've even looked at the

2814
01:57:02,390 --> 01:57:00,800
archaeological angle and we can get into

2815
01:57:05,570 --> 01:57:02,400
a little of that if you haven't found

2816
01:57:07,760 --> 01:57:05,580
any archaeological evidence I'm sorry

2817
01:57:10,459 --> 01:57:07,770
you say have we have you yeah I mean

2818
01:57:13,850 --> 01:57:10,469
that would certainly strongly support

2819
01:57:14,720 --> 01:57:13,860
the position what's the evidence that

2820
01:57:16,939 --> 01:57:14,730
you have seen

2821
01:57:18,979 --> 01:57:16,949
well they so this is really interesting

2822
01:57:20,360 --> 01:57:18,989
there was a monograph published and just

2823
01:57:23,540 --> 01:57:20,370
to be clear I don't want to leave any

2824
01:57:25,280 --> 01:57:23,550
you know loose ends here I'm on the

2825
01:57:27,110 --> 01:57:25,290
fence I'm just about like you are I'm

2826
01:57:29,000 --> 01:57:27,120
compelled enough by the evidence to want

2827
01:57:31,040 --> 01:57:29,010
to continue to look I'm not 100%

2828
01:57:32,689 --> 01:57:31,050
convinced yet that the creature exists

2829
01:57:34,399 --> 01:57:32,699
that's where I am so I'm not crazy I

2830
01:57:36,919 --> 01:57:34,409
don't leave in this mythical creature

2831
01:57:38,689 --> 01:57:36,929
but I also think it's really silly that

2832
01:57:40,010 --> 01:57:38,699
people refer to Sasquatch as a mythical

2833
01:57:41,720 --> 01:57:40,020
creature let me touch on that and then I

2834
01:57:44,450 --> 01:57:41,730
promise we'll talk about archaeology

2835
01:57:46,910 --> 01:57:44,460
here the you know when I talk with

2836
01:57:48,200 --> 01:57:46,920
people who say I'll Sasquatch you know

2837
01:57:51,169 --> 01:57:48,210
that's a myth you realize that's just

2838
01:57:53,090 --> 01:57:51,179
mythology it's interesting that we see

2839
01:57:54,919 --> 01:57:53,100
UFOs going through the sort of

2840
01:57:56,870 --> 01:57:54,929
Renaissance and most people who have not

2841
01:57:59,270 --> 01:57:56,880
taken a whole lot of time to study the

2842
01:58:01,189 --> 01:57:59,280
literature and who are interested in

2843
01:58:03,189 --> 01:58:01,199
UFOs they just kind of leap to the

2844
01:58:05,020 --> 01:58:03,199
conclusion that well the most likely

2845
01:58:07,520 --> 01:58:05,030
assessment of this phenomena is

2846
01:58:09,020 --> 01:58:07,530
extraterrestrial visitation and hey you

2847
01:58:11,660 --> 01:58:09,030
know we've got some instrumental data

2848
01:58:13,520 --> 01:58:11,670
from the Navy and the after systems and

2849
01:58:14,840 --> 01:58:13,530
the Raytheon Company and the videos that

2850
01:58:16,640 --> 01:58:14,850
the Navy released and all this stuff so

2851
01:58:19,459 --> 01:58:16,650
it's interesting to me that people are

2852
01:58:20,209 --> 01:58:19,469
like Bigfoot mythology UFOs alien

2853
01:58:21,950 --> 01:58:20,219
visitors

2854
01:58:23,990 --> 01:58:21,960
you know hive you know you know

2855
01:58:25,970 --> 01:58:24,000
extremely sophisticated technologies

2856
01:58:27,470 --> 01:58:25,980
aerospace technologies being utilized by

2857
01:58:30,260 --> 01:58:27,480
alien visitors sure I'm all in on that

2858
01:58:32,570 --> 01:58:30,270
and yet something like Sasquatch seems

2859
01:58:35,630 --> 01:58:32,580
so remote if you look at the

2860
01:58:38,110 --> 01:58:35,640
archaeological record if you look at

2861
01:58:41,660 --> 01:58:38,120
human ancestors you know Homo erectus

2862
01:58:44,180 --> 01:58:41,670
Homo habilis if you look at again those

2863
01:58:47,360 --> 01:58:44,190
outside of the homo species are our

2864
01:58:49,370 --> 01:58:47,370
ancient human ancestors and or rather I

2865
01:58:51,680 --> 01:58:49,380
should say cousins you know Homo

2866
01:58:54,260 --> 01:58:51,690
neanderthalensis if you go back to for

2867
01:58:56,450 --> 01:58:54,270
instance Gigantopithecus the Pleistocene

2868
01:58:58,189 --> 01:58:56,460
era giant 8 that existed in parts of

2869
01:59:00,169 --> 01:58:58,199
Asia which many look at and say that's

2870
01:59:03,620 --> 01:59:00,179
about as close to an actual sasquatch as

2871
01:59:05,950 --> 01:59:03,630
we can get in the anthropological record

2872
01:59:10,180 --> 01:59:05,960
a lot of creatures per anthropos also

2873
01:59:13,490 --> 01:59:10,190
these these these ancient

2874
01:59:15,410 --> 01:59:13,500
anthropological wonders I would say you

2875
01:59:16,010 --> 01:59:15,420
know some of them human ancestors some

2876
01:59:18,740 --> 01:59:16,020
of them human

2877
01:59:20,330 --> 01:59:18,750
cousins some of them apes that are quite

2878
01:59:21,530 --> 01:59:20,340
a lot unlike us but nonetheless a lot

2879
01:59:23,420 --> 01:59:21,540
like what is described in it with

2880
01:59:26,450 --> 01:59:23,430
sasquatch they exist in the fossil

2881
01:59:28,460 --> 01:59:26,460
record and to say that a creature that

2882
01:59:29,960 --> 01:59:28,470
is existent in the fossil record that

2883
01:59:30,500 --> 01:59:29,970
something like that could not exist

2884
01:59:32,300 --> 01:59:30,510
today

2885
01:59:33,800 --> 01:59:32,310
and yet on the other hand we're so

2886
01:59:35,090 --> 01:59:33,810
willing to leap to the conclusion that

2887
01:59:37,550 --> 01:59:35,100
aliens are visiting earth and that's

2888
01:59:39,170 --> 01:59:37,560
what UFOs are I mean it's kind of it's

2889
01:59:41,450 --> 01:59:39,180
kind of bizarre to me really where

2890
01:59:42,680 --> 01:59:41,460
people's thinking is on that so I just

2891
01:59:44,900 --> 01:59:42,690
want to make that point that when people

2892
01:59:46,400 --> 01:59:44,910
treat Sasquatch as though it's something

2893
01:59:48,110 --> 01:59:46,410
that must be relegated to myth they must

2894
01:59:48,950 --> 01:59:48,120
not know a lot about anthropology in the

2895
01:59:50,990 --> 01:59:48,960
fossil record

2896
01:59:52,280 --> 01:59:51,000
the other side of that though is and I

2897
01:59:53,630 --> 01:59:52,290
want to come back around to the point

2898
01:59:55,130 --> 01:59:53,640
we're making about archaeology because

2899
01:59:57,800 --> 01:59:55,140
that's not really the archaeological

2900
02:00:00,370 --> 01:59:57,810
side of this when it comes to what do we

2901
02:00:02,720 --> 02:00:00,380
have in terms of physical discoveries in

2902
02:00:05,510 --> 02:00:02,730
archaeology that might support the idea

2903
02:00:07,400 --> 02:00:05,520
of an awareness by indigenous cultures

2904
02:00:09,110 --> 02:00:07,410
in North America of Sasquatch there's a

2905
02:00:11,630 --> 02:00:09,120
fascinating monograph that was published

2906
02:00:13,280 --> 02:00:11,640
I believe in 1891 by James Terry and

2907
02:00:16,370 --> 02:00:13,290
it's entitled sculptured anthropoid ape

2908
02:00:17,870 --> 02:00:16,380
heads from the John Day River which the

2909
02:00:21,380 --> 02:00:17,880
John Day River being a tributary of the

2910
02:00:23,900 --> 02:00:21,390
Columbia River up there but fascinating

2911
02:00:26,900 --> 02:00:23,910
little monograph because what it entails

2912
02:00:28,340 --> 02:00:26,910
are a number of stone carvings that are

2913
02:00:33,590 --> 02:00:28,350
found up there along the John Day River

2914
02:00:35,390 --> 02:00:33,600
in Oregon that resemble eight heads they

2915
02:00:37,910 --> 02:00:35,400
have quite obviously simian

2916
02:00:40,280 --> 02:00:37,920
characteristics in me and in the faces

2917
02:00:41,810 --> 02:00:40,290
on these stones what's really

2918
02:00:44,410 --> 02:00:41,820
interesting is that had been the

2919
02:00:47,360 --> 02:00:44,420
determination of James Terry and other

2920
02:00:49,040 --> 02:00:47,370
archaeologists also some geologists and

2921
02:00:51,680 --> 02:00:49,050
paleontologists who were looking at them

2922
02:00:53,870 --> 02:00:51,690
at the time none of these guys if they

2923
02:00:57,170 --> 02:00:53,880
even had any awareness of traditional

2924
02:00:59,360 --> 02:00:57,180
indigenous legends about Sasquatch none

2925
02:01:01,850 --> 02:00:59,370
of them say so in that monograph and

2926
02:01:03,080 --> 02:01:01,860
none of them seem to interpret these as

2927
02:01:04,220 --> 02:01:03,090
being evidence of anything like that

2928
02:01:06,980 --> 02:01:04,230
they were looking at these things

2929
02:01:09,650 --> 02:01:06,990
seemingly in ignorance of any traditions

2930
02:01:11,570 --> 02:01:09,660
or belief of Sasquatch and looking at

2931
02:01:13,190 --> 02:01:11,580
these going what in the world are these

2932
02:01:14,840 --> 02:01:13,200
carvings and why would the indigenous

2933
02:01:17,780 --> 02:01:14,850
cultures of Oregon have been carving

2934
02:01:21,220 --> 02:01:17,790
eight faces Jimmy the conclusion they

2935
02:01:24,290 --> 02:01:21,230
come to is well these are either

2936
02:01:25,250 --> 02:01:24,300
something that they saw for instance

2937
02:01:27,260 --> 02:01:25,260
there might have been a you know

2938
02:01:29,100 --> 02:01:27,270
Polynesian you know a sailing vessel

2939
02:01:30,990 --> 02:01:29,110
that crashed on them on the western

2940
02:01:33,030 --> 02:01:31,000
coasts and one of these things was

2941
02:01:34,530 --> 02:01:33,040
carved on one of the mastheads or

2942
02:01:37,560 --> 02:01:34,540
something of that bohtan they saw it and

2943
02:01:39,600 --> 02:01:37,570
they replicated it or in Terry said I

2944
02:01:42,300 --> 02:01:39,610
out for this option of those which were

2945
02:01:44,580 --> 02:01:42,310
offering Terry said my opinion is that

2946
02:01:46,830 --> 02:01:44,590
this is a species that might have

2947
02:01:49,859 --> 02:01:46,840
existed in North America a long time ago

2948
02:01:51,570 --> 02:01:49,869
which they knew and they carved and it's

2949
02:01:54,000 --> 02:01:51,580
representative of something that they

2950
02:01:55,680 --> 02:01:54,010
had seen and known that's what he

2951
02:01:58,140 --> 02:01:55,690
thought they were we'll check this out

2952
02:02:02,189 --> 02:01:58,150
let me jump in sure those footprints

2953
02:02:04,439 --> 02:02:02,199
that I just showed you right there's

2954
02:02:06,330 --> 02:02:04,449
more I just sent you a second those

2955
02:02:11,430 --> 02:02:06,340
those were right next to the Columbia

2956
02:02:14,340 --> 02:02:11,440
River I'm listening to you Mike oh

2957
02:02:17,790 --> 02:02:14,350
really okay but I'm still on the fence

2958
02:02:19,649 --> 02:02:17,800
I'm still on the fence okay well let's

2959
02:02:22,100 --> 02:02:19,659
get to the archeological site I don't

2960
02:02:24,120 --> 02:02:22,110
want to run out of time but

2961
02:02:26,910 --> 02:02:24,130
archaeological evidence when it comes to

2962
02:02:29,910 --> 02:02:26,920
Sasquatch Bigfoot well no that's that's

2963
02:02:32,220 --> 02:02:29,920
what we were discussed at saz far as it

2964
02:02:34,109 --> 02:02:32,230
goes well okay well there is some more

2965
02:02:37,260 --> 02:02:34,119
there's some more we could also cite for

2966
02:02:40,020 --> 02:02:37,270
instance some oh gosh I'm trying to

2967
02:02:42,270 --> 02:02:40,030
remember her name slips my mind but the

2968
02:02:43,350 --> 02:02:42,280
the anthropologist who I actually pull

2969
02:02:45,930 --> 02:02:43,360
up this information while we're talking

2970
02:02:48,510 --> 02:02:45,940
about this well what about okay now

2971
02:02:50,970 --> 02:02:48,520
let's go to the extreme side which is

2972
02:02:52,260 --> 02:02:50,980
actually a zone where I'm a little bit

2973
02:02:53,070 --> 02:02:52,270
more comfortable when it comes to

2974
02:02:55,680 --> 02:02:53,080
sasquatch

2975
02:02:58,640 --> 02:02:55,690
and that's the interdimensional part of

2976
02:03:03,090 --> 02:02:58,650
this all right that maybe it's not

2977
02:03:05,790 --> 02:03:03,100
something physical all the time here

2978
02:03:09,740 --> 02:03:05,800
because that'll explain that takes care

2979
02:03:12,870 --> 02:03:09,750
of the lack of bones right no corpses

2980
02:03:16,109 --> 02:03:12,880
okay maybe they bury themselves out in

2981
02:03:17,760 --> 02:03:16,119
the woods and they avoid humans but nuns

2982
02:03:20,850 --> 02:03:17,770
ever been hit by a car

2983
02:03:23,729 --> 02:03:20,860
bears get hit by a cars all the time in

2984
02:03:27,209 --> 02:03:23,739
deer but we don't find their bones you

2985
02:03:29,609 --> 02:03:27,219
know and I get I understand the argument

2986
02:03:33,000 --> 02:03:29,619
but if you go to the interdimensional

2987
02:03:37,859 --> 02:03:33,010
side of this then that takes care of the

2988
02:03:41,160 --> 02:03:37,869
lack of corpses right the problem I have

2989
02:03:42,680 --> 02:03:41,170
with that is again how do we prove

2990
02:03:45,360 --> 02:03:42,690
something as inter dimension

2991
02:03:47,310 --> 02:03:45,370
how do we quantify that you know as you

2992
02:03:49,950 --> 02:03:47,320
mentioned earlier you believe that

2993
02:03:51,570 --> 02:03:49,960
applying science to the study of UFOs is

2994
02:03:53,930 --> 02:03:51,580
what's really going to help us gain

2995
02:03:57,870 --> 02:03:53,940
ground on that that's right that's right

2996
02:03:59,250 --> 02:03:57,880
well if we're to suppose that Sasquatch

2997
02:04:00,900 --> 02:03:59,260
is interdimensional we would have to

2998
02:04:03,300 --> 02:04:00,910
have some sort of scientific grasp on

2999
02:04:05,010 --> 02:04:03,310
what constitutes interdimensional or

3000
02:04:08,160 --> 02:04:05,020
whether such a thing could exist first

3001
02:04:10,320 --> 02:04:08,170
right oh there are plenty of that I see

3002
02:04:12,810 --> 02:04:10,330
that's the thing that's the thing when

3003
02:04:16,050 --> 02:04:12,820
when you get into quantum physics and

3004
02:04:19,110 --> 02:04:16,060
you understand the multi worlds theory

3005
02:04:22,290 --> 02:04:19,120
and the multiverse and an entanglement

3006
02:04:25,290 --> 02:04:22,300
and what actually occurs in quantum

3007
02:04:28,680 --> 02:04:25,300
physics to make those equations and the

3008
02:04:33,360 --> 02:04:28,690
math work then there is the possibility

3009
02:04:36,270 --> 02:04:33,370
of something multiple versions of

3010
02:04:39,720 --> 02:04:36,280
something and and certainly with string

3011
02:04:42,330 --> 02:04:39,730
theory and and ten dimensions that there

3012
02:04:44,850 --> 02:04:42,340
is that possibility and the math

3013
02:04:46,890 --> 02:04:44,860
certainly supports that well I'm gonna

3014
02:04:49,620 --> 02:04:46,900
go if I'm gonna go into a direction

3015
02:04:51,810 --> 02:04:49,630
where I think science is strongest I'm

3016
02:04:55,320 --> 02:04:51,820
gonna go with interdimensional Bigfoot

3017
02:04:57,690 --> 02:04:55,330
well hold on now let me play devil's

3018
02:04:59,610 --> 02:04:57,700
advocate on the shore they give you the

3019
02:05:01,170 --> 02:04:59,620
spin you know one of our many great

3020
02:05:02,580 --> 02:05:01,180
conversations I'm seeing Dan James

3021
02:05:05,430 --> 02:05:02,590
tweeting he's saying how how much he's

3022
02:05:08,520 --> 02:05:05,440
enjoying this you know the the problem

3023
02:05:11,420 --> 02:05:08,530
is the quantum world and the things that

3024
02:05:13,470 --> 02:05:11,430
physicists observe in the quantum

3025
02:05:14,700 --> 02:05:13,480
relationship to reality rather than to

3026
02:05:15,990 --> 02:05:14,710
say the quantum world because it's not a

3027
02:05:18,540 --> 02:05:16,000
different world it's just when we

3028
02:05:20,550 --> 02:05:18,550
observe things on the quantum level the

3029
02:05:23,220 --> 02:05:20,560
physics that we the Newtonian physics

3030
02:05:24,510 --> 02:05:23,230
the Einsteinian perception even that we

3031
02:05:26,910 --> 02:05:24,520
recognize in the physical universe

3032
02:05:29,250 --> 02:05:26,920
begins to break down and we began to

3033
02:05:31,620 --> 02:05:29,260
have these relationships to reality that

3034
02:05:33,840 --> 02:05:31,630
are far less consistent right you know

3035
02:05:36,270 --> 02:05:33,850
Heisenberg and his uncertainty principle

3036
02:05:37,410 --> 02:05:36,280
call but I'm a scientist I'm a physicist

3037
02:05:39,690 --> 02:05:37,420
so I don't want to try and break all

3038
02:05:41,670 --> 02:05:39,700
those things down to physics text but I

3039
02:05:43,890 --> 02:05:41,680
don't want to make is I do understand

3040
02:05:45,990 --> 02:05:43,900
that the quantum level we can't apply

3041
02:05:48,030 --> 02:05:46,000
those aspects to the physical realm in

3042
02:05:50,730 --> 02:05:48,040
which we all you know agree that we I

3043
02:05:52,410 --> 02:05:50,740
think we agree that we you know coincide

3044
02:05:55,560 --> 02:05:52,420
in that we all share and we exist in if

3045
02:05:56,370 --> 02:05:55,570
we are to apply those principles in the

3046
02:05:57,570 --> 02:05:56,380
furtherance of an eye

3047
02:05:58,830 --> 02:05:57,580
dia that Sasquatch might be

3048
02:06:00,030 --> 02:05:58,840
interdimensional or something along

3049
02:06:02,430 --> 02:06:00,040
those lines I think it's a

3050
02:06:05,070 --> 02:06:02,440
misappropriation of those ideas I'm all

3051
02:06:06,840 --> 02:06:05,080
for the idea that there are other worlds

3052
02:06:08,300 --> 02:06:06,850
you know the idea of a multiverse that

3053
02:06:12,210 --> 02:06:08,310
seems to be something that again

3054
02:06:13,410 --> 02:06:12,220
scientifically seems plausible but we

3055
02:06:15,390 --> 02:06:13,420
have to know more about it and the

3056
02:06:17,580 --> 02:06:15,400
applications for that before we can say

3057
02:06:19,560 --> 02:06:17,590
that that is a reasonable explanation

3058
02:06:21,150 --> 02:06:19,570
for why we don't find a body of the

3059
02:06:22,680 --> 02:06:21,160
Sasquatch and unfortunately I mean

3060
02:06:24,570 --> 02:06:22,690
here's the sad thing and this brings us

3061
02:06:26,430 --> 02:06:24,580
back to being on the fence the more

3062
02:06:28,500 --> 02:06:26,440
likely if we're to deal in likelihoods

3063
02:06:30,210 --> 02:06:28,510
and scientific plausibility the more

3064
02:06:32,040 --> 02:06:30,220
likely explanation to me is that

3065
02:06:34,110 --> 02:06:32,050
Sasquatch simply does not exist rather

3066
02:06:37,560 --> 02:06:34,120
than that it does exist and it is a

3067
02:06:39,090 --> 02:06:37,570
quantum being that somehow defies you

3068
02:06:40,650 --> 02:06:39,100
know the limitations of the quantum

3069
02:06:42,780 --> 02:06:40,660
world and it's separation from the

3070
02:06:44,370 --> 02:06:42,790
physical reality we all occupy and it

3071
02:06:46,170 --> 02:06:44,380
actually seems to function in that

3072
02:06:48,120 --> 02:06:46,180
capacity in the actual physical

3073
02:06:50,220 --> 02:06:48,130
Newtonian physics of our waking reality

3074
02:06:51,900 --> 02:06:50,230
I mean that's much more of a stretch

3075
02:06:54,240 --> 02:06:51,910
than to say that Sasquatch simply

3076
02:06:55,680 --> 02:06:54,250
doesn't exist the problem I have with

3077
02:06:58,560 --> 02:06:55,690
saying that Sasquatch simply doesn't

3078
02:07:04,080 --> 02:06:58,570
exist is that people still say that they

3079
02:07:10,190 --> 02:07:04,090
see the thing no I know I don't it is

3080
02:07:12,600 --> 02:07:10,200
difficult to reconcile for me to accept

3081
02:07:15,540 --> 02:07:12,610
there's two there's two issues that I

3082
02:07:20,400 --> 02:07:15,550
have here I'm a walking paradox the firt

3083
02:07:26,370 --> 02:07:20,410
and I'm serious about this is that I on

3084
02:07:29,330 --> 02:07:26,380
one side the Bigfoot Sasquatch people

3085
02:07:32,430 --> 02:07:29,340
out there want me to believe that

3086
02:07:34,950 --> 02:07:32,440
Sasquatch is smart Bigfoot is smart they

3087
02:07:37,470 --> 02:07:34,960
avoid humans they communicate they are

3088
02:07:41,370 --> 02:07:37,480
able to hide deep in the forest they

3089
02:07:44,940 --> 02:07:41,380
avoid us and therefore that's why we

3090
02:07:47,280 --> 02:07:44,950
don't see them and I don't buy into that

3091
02:07:49,020 --> 02:07:47,290
today there's too much population

3092
02:07:50,820 --> 02:07:49,030
there's too much video there's too much

3093
02:07:52,560 --> 02:07:50,830
they there's too much of everything that

3094
02:07:55,110 --> 02:07:52,570
there would be evidence of it but on the

3095
02:07:59,490 --> 02:07:55,120
other hand this is where I'm a walking

3096
02:08:04,230 --> 02:07:59,500
paradox we have the Panda the Panda

3097
02:08:06,510 --> 02:08:04,240
avoided us for thousands of years you

3098
02:08:09,780 --> 02:08:06,520
just brought up mythological frigging

3099
02:08:13,260 --> 02:08:09,790
Panda was a mythological creature until

3100
02:08:16,260 --> 02:08:13,270
now what Hill it was it was discovered

3101
02:08:17,760 --> 02:08:16,270
right right right right right so and and

3102
02:08:20,070 --> 02:08:17,770
somebody can come up to me and go well

3103
02:08:20,430 --> 02:08:20,080
what about the Panda well that shuts me

3104
02:08:24,150 --> 02:08:20,440
down

3105
02:08:26,790 --> 02:08:24,160
so I'm now a walking paradox of myself

3106
02:08:30,750 --> 02:08:26,800
you know so I don't know which way to go

3107
02:08:32,820 --> 02:08:30,760
but until there is some other physical I

3108
02:08:35,880 --> 02:08:32,830
mean physical evidence of it being

3109
02:08:38,970 --> 02:08:35,890
something physical then I'm gonna go

3110
02:08:44,010 --> 02:08:38,980
with interdimensional it's easier for me

3111
02:08:46,470 --> 02:08:44,020
to to believe that then Bigfoot is just

3112
02:08:48,510 --> 02:08:46,480
out there avoiding humans I just don't

3113
02:08:50,820 --> 02:08:48,520
buy into that I don't buy into that part

3114
02:08:53,490 --> 02:08:50,830
of it I think there's something much

3115
02:08:56,310 --> 02:08:53,500
more mystical to it and something more

3116
02:08:59,220 --> 02:08:56,320
paranormal to it and that's easier for

3117
02:09:01,230 --> 02:08:59,230
me to digest it really is and you know I

3118
02:09:03,090 --> 02:09:01,240
think it's actually fun to be you talk

3119
02:09:05,190 --> 02:09:03,100
about being a walking paradox but again

3120
02:09:07,470 --> 02:09:05,200
you know I think that that's ok we

3121
02:09:09,840 --> 02:09:07,480
there's this attitude in especially the

3122
02:09:13,080 --> 02:09:09,850
Western world that you have to first of

3123
02:09:14,760 --> 02:09:13,090
all you have to believe well depending

3124
02:09:16,830 --> 02:09:14,770
on who you're with and who you're

3125
02:09:18,450 --> 02:09:16,840
talking about you you know you have any

3126
02:09:19,920 --> 02:09:18,460
number of ideologies that you have to

3127
02:09:21,390 --> 02:09:19,930
fall in step with and hear if you're

3128
02:09:22,590 --> 02:09:21,400
gonna be part of this club you've gotta

3129
02:09:24,810 --> 02:09:22,600
think this way you've got to believe

3130
02:09:26,640 --> 02:09:24,820
these things if you don't think those

3131
02:09:27,780 --> 02:09:26,650
things you're outside the club mm-hmm

3132
02:09:29,670 --> 02:09:27,790
whether that's a religion whether that

3133
02:09:31,170 --> 02:09:29,680
is you know the antithesis of religion

3134
02:09:32,970 --> 02:09:31,180
whether it's skepticism whether it is a

3135
02:09:34,800 --> 02:09:32,980
political ideology whether it's a

3136
02:09:37,830 --> 02:09:34,810
cultural group you know any number of

3137
02:09:40,410 --> 02:09:37,840
group thinks exist but especially in the

3138
02:09:43,290 --> 02:09:40,420
Western world it seems inexcusable if

3139
02:09:46,230 --> 02:09:43,300
you operate within more than one of them

3140
02:09:50,760 --> 02:09:46,240
that's right and you're either all in or

3141
02:09:54,090 --> 02:09:50,770
you are not right and it's it's really

3142
02:09:56,220 --> 02:09:54,100
funny I've had my critics Micah and I'm

3143
02:10:00,540 --> 02:09:56,230
sure you've enjoyed the same thing in

3144
02:10:01,800 --> 02:10:00,550
that if you are doing the conspiracy

3145
02:10:07,350 --> 02:10:01,810
thing right

3146
02:10:10,620 --> 02:10:07,360
UFOs ancient Egypt goes the paranormal

3147
02:10:13,770 --> 02:10:10,630
time travel then then you're in with us

3148
02:10:14,700 --> 02:10:13,780
on 9/11 you're in with us and these

3149
02:10:17,550 --> 02:10:14,710
other crazy

3150
02:10:20,740 --> 02:10:17,560
you know you're either all in or you are

3151
02:10:23,190 --> 02:10:20,750
not and and I am NOT

3152
02:10:28,330 --> 02:10:23,200
I'm not about that and I never will be I

3153
02:10:31,720 --> 02:10:28,340
can't I just can't I try to be as as as

3154
02:10:33,730 --> 02:10:31,730
pragmatic and objective as possible and

3155
02:10:36,520 --> 02:10:33,740
the other part is being a walking

3156
02:10:41,140 --> 02:10:36,530
paradox as I've seen stuff I've seen

3157
02:10:43,780 --> 02:10:41,150
crazy things crazy crazy things that

3158
02:10:45,970 --> 02:10:43,790
tell me the world is not what it seems

3159
02:10:50,290 --> 02:10:45,980
that's it I'm just trying to figure it

3160
02:10:52,690 --> 02:10:50,300
out that makes me all the more you know

3161
02:10:55,900 --> 02:10:52,700
I find that all the more admirable about

3162
02:10:58,480 --> 02:10:55,910
you that you have had experiences but

3163
02:10:59,770 --> 02:10:58,490
you do not feel that because that you

3164
02:11:01,690 --> 02:10:59,780
you have to conform to a particular

3165
02:11:04,840 --> 02:11:01,700
belief system you maintain a certain

3166
02:11:08,230 --> 02:11:04,850
critical mind its mindedness I guess a

3167
02:11:09,790 --> 02:11:08,240
certain skepticism despite the fact that

3168
02:11:12,100 --> 02:11:09,800
you've had your own experiences because

3169
02:11:14,620 --> 02:11:12,110
I think that that's really part of it to

3170
02:11:15,970 --> 02:11:14,630
be both critically minded but also to be

3171
02:11:17,590 --> 02:11:15,980
open minded people think that those

3172
02:11:19,090 --> 02:11:17,600
things clash I don't think that they do

3173
02:11:21,940 --> 02:11:19,100
I don't either

3174
02:11:24,190 --> 02:11:21,950
I really don't Hey as we wind this down

3175
02:11:26,350 --> 02:11:24,200
I've got to thank you what a fascinating

3176
02:11:28,990 --> 02:11:26,360
excellent conversation tonight and I

3177
02:11:30,610 --> 02:11:29,000
can't wait to do it again but what are

3178
02:11:32,470 --> 02:11:30,620
you doing now or yet they're speaking

3179
02:11:35,110 --> 02:11:32,480
you working on some television I know

3180
02:11:37,840 --> 02:11:35,120
you just mentioned narrating some books

3181
02:11:39,520 --> 02:11:37,850
in 2020 what's going on yeah there's

3182
02:11:41,500 --> 02:11:39,530
some narration going on of course I'm

3183
02:11:43,870 --> 02:11:41,510
working on this historical UFO project

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which I hope will be published if not

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sometime this year because it's going to

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be a tremendous undertaking but one that

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I feel is extremely timely and something

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that I hope in the furtherance of all

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the stuff we've discussed tonight

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including scientific and historical

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knowledge I think it will be of Merit so

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I'm working on that the seven ages guys

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and I are always at work we have

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podcasts which are available at seven

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ages org and of course I've got the

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Micah Hanks program and the middle

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theory podcasts all my podcasts can be

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found at Micah Hanks com and yeah you

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know there there have been some

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inquiries from some television networks

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about actually one possible Sasquatch

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related program that would look at this

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from a historical perspective which I'm

3204
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more than happy to provide some

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commentary on when and we're available

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and then of course as always there'll

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probably be some events I don't have

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anything on my calendar right now I'll

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probably have some by April confirmed

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and there'll be a lot of travel and

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research stuff going on so Jimmy I hope

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somewhere out

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I'll meet you along the way how's that

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you are the very best Myka thank you so

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much and be safe and enjoy twenty20 it's

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going to be an incredible year my friend

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thank you so much

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likewise brother my pleasure Micah

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Hank's again the links for Micah Hanks

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calm or right there 2 meters radio.com

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02:12:56,200 --> 02:12:54,260
also Micah's blog is there you need to

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go and check that out the middle

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theories podcasts and of course the

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micah hangs program and I want to thank

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Micah for coming out tonight and also

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doing some overtime and George enjoy

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enjoy that impersonates if it still

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02:13:16,720 --> 02:13:14,330
makes me laugh tomorrow night right here

3229
02:13:18,880 --> 02:13:16,730
William Henry we're gonna go into

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ancient secrets and discuss all of his

3231
02:13:23,380 --> 02:13:20,780
latest research and of course his

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02:13:25,030 --> 02:13:23,390
travels over to Egypt and France we'll

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be discussing all of that tomorrow night

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with that I am going to get out of here

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02:13:34,300 --> 02:13:31,719
we went pole to pole so let's just say

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theta black's executive producer is

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ritika Murray on show was produced by

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Phil J palm Rene Dennis and Bob

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announces our Steve harver gene veto a

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mark D Kovar what master is Drew the

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02:13:52,120 --> 02:13:48,830
geek music doug aldrich intro space boys

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space boy music calm fade to black is

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the planet this podcast own a copyright

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a 2020 buy fade to black in the game

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02:14:05,290 --> 02:14:03,440
changer network they cannot be

3246
02:14:06,970 --> 02:14:05,300
rebroadcast download a copy to use

3247
02:14:08,680 --> 02:14:06,980
anywhere in the known universe without

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02:14:10,570 --> 02:14:08,690
written permission from fade to black or

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the game changer network our meals Jimmy

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Church follow me on twitter @ JT radio

3251
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you can follow Micah at Micah Hanks

3252
02:14:20,129 --> 02:14:18,170
right there on Twitter until tomorrow

3253
02:14:22,850 --> 02:14:20,139
night with William Henry

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I'm your host Jimmy Church be safe

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